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Thread: Smuggler Revamp Community Vision Doc is up top...READ AND COMMENT

Geevo
Sat May 29, 2004 1:24 pm
#1


Smuggler Revamp Community Vision Doc is now updated. It is sticked up top.


Several people have put in a lot of ideas and no one person deserves credit. We were lacking some details on certain skill trees (eg. Profiteer and Underworld) so I 'borrowed' from Caylin since his was the best I had seen and then I put in my two cents.


Everyone, please rip it apart...think about it...put it back together. As we get an agreement on a change from the community (basically if I feel like the community supports a change) I will update it.


I would also like to thank everyone that helped.


(I would put a link here if I knew how)

Message Edited by Geevo on 05-29-2004 01:24 PM



Col. Weiss, Knight of the Old Republic
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Light Jedi Elder
Col. Geevo Deem, The most elder Smuggler on Intrepid
Founding Mayor: Veteran's Retreat on Lok
Smuggler_Caylin
Sat May 29, 2004 2:19 pm
#2




Geevo wrote:


(I would put a link here if I knew how)


Message Edited by Geevo on 05-29-2004 01:24 PM








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Smuggler_Caylin
Sat May 29, 2004 2:23 pm
#3

The more participation the merrier.


In the end, Geevo's will be much more flexible in what everyone will want, than mine will be. The one I work on is very much a version edited from my perspective.


If it came down to it, the comparison between the two might be nice, and decide which version I should send onward.


So I encourage everyone to help out if you can.


If possible, maybe we can have this all done by Wednesday morning?




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:The Ghost with the Most:

Vampirerobot
Sat May 29, 2004 4:26 pm
#4

woah you mean like have the whole document finalized by wednesday morning?



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Smuggler_Caylin
Sat May 29, 2004 4:56 pm
#5

Yes, most of the people corresponding via email mention getting their parts done by Sunday for sure.


We can then discuss it monday to tuesday morning, refine it, and hopefully get it to TH on Wednesday.


That's what I hope we can do, I'm pretty satisfied with my attempt, now with Geevo's coming we can hopefully run a good comparison in relatively short time.


I think we can do it.



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One of the Four Horsemen of the Smuggler Apocalypse!
:The Ghost with the Most:

Geevo
Sat May 29, 2004 9:26 pm
#6






Smuggler_Caylin wrote:

Yes, most of the people corresponding via email mention getting their parts done by Sunday for sure.


We can then discuss it monday to tuesday morning, refine it, and hopefully get it to TH on Wednesday.


That's what I hope we can do, I'm pretty satisfied with my attempt, now with Geevo's coming we can hopefully run a good comparison in relatively short time.


I think we can do it.






I personally would prefer to TH by next SUN night :-/ ... (Finals + Work) but if you think it is ready WED, ok.



Col. Weiss, Knight of the Old Republic
Ace Pilot of the starship Errant Venture

Light Jedi Elder
Col. Geevo Deem, The most elder Smuggler on Intrepid
Founding Mayor: Veteran's Retreat on Lok
Smuggler_Caylin
Sat May 29, 2004 9:40 pm
#7

Well if nothing else, I'm going to hand him links to any prominant threads where we are putting things together and shaping it up.


We have that much going at least.


I want that red name back here durnit.


Wednesday is supposedly when 19 answers are given... It would also give them a couple days this week to say something... but what gets done, gets done.



The Infamous Caylin Borealis - First Master Smuggler on Bria
One of the Four Horsemen of the Smuggler Apocalypse!
:The Ghost with the Most:

Geevo
Sat May 29, 2004 10:47 pm
#8






Smuggler_Caylin wrote:

Well if nothing else, I'm going to hand him links to any prominant threads where we are putting things together and shaping it up.


We have that much going at least.


I want that red name back here durnit.


Wednesday is supposedly when 19 answers are given... It would also give them a couple days this week to say something... but what gets done, gets done.






I like that idea...have him give input before we submit a final doc



Col. Weiss, Knight of the Old Republic
Ace Pilot of the starship Errant Venture

Light Jedi Elder
Col. Geevo Deem, The most elder Smuggler on Intrepid
Founding Mayor: Veteran's Retreat on Lok
WookieBounty
Sat May 29, 2004 11:16 pm
#9

Not sure where you want the comments at so I'll do it here.



  1. In general I like the document I read from geevo.

  2. This seems like a lot of stuff...might take 2 publishes to get out.

  3. spices should be left in the smuggler prof. If you don't like making spices then hey don't. Deal in other illegal activites.

  4. I think the "personal" weapon SHOULD be implemented. The way they have reworked the lightsaber makes me believe that it is possible. So no reason why no there.

  5. The smuggler only language is very nice. Great Idea there.

  6. Not sure if this was in there (lots of reading) but no more pistol grinding or any of that once you hit nov smuggler. Make it mission based like pilot will be.

  7. There isa LOT of stuff in there. Do we believe that all this can/will be implented?? B/c is seems like too much is relied upon each other in the document. How much are we actually looking to get?? 50% 75% 100% If we go by that factor then we need to have an importance rating on the alotted features so that what WE really WANT is not over looked for a simpler/easier way out. Jedi takes two publishes and I've read a lot of what their getting. Its not a lot when you consider it. I'd say that doc has about 3-4x the content of jedi. Don't get me wrong it sounds wonderful but I don't want it to become a nightmare.

  8. Thats all for now I will post more as I re-read. Thanks for all the hard work on the prepared documents.



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Geevo
Sat May 29, 2004 11:45 pm
#10






WookieBounty wrote:

Not sure where you want the comments at so I'll do it here.



  1. In general I like the document I read from geevo.

  2. This seems like a lot of stuff...might take 2 publishes to get out.

  3. spices should be left in the smuggler prof. If you don't like making spices then hey don't. Deal in other illegal activites.

  4. I think the "personal" weapon SHOULD be implemented. The way they have reworked the lightsaber makes me believe that it is possible. So no reason why no there.

  5. The smuggler only language is very nice. Great Idea there.

  6. Not sure if this was in there (lots of reading) but no more pistol grinding or any of that once you hit nov smuggler. Make it mission based like pilot will be.

  7. There isa LOT of stuff in there. Do we believe that all this can/will be implented?? B/c is seems like too much is relied upon each other in the document. How much are we actually looking to get?? 50% 75% 100% If we go by that factor then we need to have an importance rating on the alotted features so that what WE really WANT is not over looked for a simpler/easier way out. Jedi takes two publishes and I've read a lot of what their getting. Its not a lot when you consider it. I'd say that doc has about 3-4x the content of jedi. Don't get me wrong it sounds wonderful but I don't want it to become a nightmare.

  8. Thats all for now I will post more as I re-read. Thanks for all the hard work on the prepared documents.






Thanks for the input, please post in the actual document...



Col. Weiss, Knight of the Old Republic
Ace Pilot of the starship Errant Venture

Light Jedi Elder
Col. Geevo Deem, The most elder Smuggler on Intrepid
Founding Mayor: Veteran's Retreat on Lok
Ragnaat
Sat May 29, 2004 11:47 pm
#11

Just wanted to say that although I made a decision not to work on this doc, I do very much appreciate the work that each one of you working on it have put forth and wanted to say it hasn't gone unnoticed by your fellow smugglers (or at least this one).



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Geevo
Sat May 29, 2004 11:54 pm
#12

Thank you (I did very little of the work...mostly just put it up here and piped in my 2 cents on other peoples work)



Col. Weiss, Knight of the Old Republic
Ace Pilot of the starship Errant Venture

Light Jedi Elder
Col. Geevo Deem, The most elder Smuggler on Intrepid
Founding Mayor: Veteran's Retreat on Lok
Smuggler_Caylin
Sun May 30, 2004 12:28 pm
#13






WookieBounty wrote:

Not sure where you want the comments at so I'll do it here.



  1. In general I like the document I read from geevo.

  2. This seems like a lot of stuff...might take 2 publishes to get out.

    I wont argue about that... More publishes dedicated to us the better

  3. spices should be left in the smuggler prof. If you don't like making spices then hey don't. Deal in other illegal activites.

    I don't think we wanted to remove them, just change how they were brought into the game. They are still there for smugglers to get if they want to

  4. I think the "personal" weapon SHOULD be implemented. The way they have reworked the lightsaber makes me believe that it is possible. So no reason why no there.

    Agreed.

  5. The smuggler only language is very nice. Great Idea there.

  6. Not sure if this was in there (lots of reading) but no more pistol grinding or any of that once you hit nov smuggler. Make it mission based like pilot will be.

    In relation to what you see, Underworld/Slicing/Fighting/Spice XP would turn into Smuggler/Slicing/Combat/Smuggler or something similar. Do you mean you would want it to be Smuggler/Slicing/Smuggler/Smuggler XP as far as our trees go? I have no real objection to that, but I guess I thought two trees of quest based experience was enough. That was my thought anyway.

  7. There isa LOT of stuff in there. Do we believe that all this can/will be implented?? B/c is seems like too much is relied upon each other in the document. How much are we actually looking to get?? 50% 75% 100% If we go by that factor then we need to have an importance rating on the alotted features so that what WE really WANT is not over looked for a simpler/easier way out. Jedi takes two publishes and I've read a lot of what their getting. Its not a lot when you consider it. I'd say that doc has about 3-4x the content of jedi. Don't get me wrong it sounds wonderful but I don't want it to become a nightmare.

    They told us to write this up, and tell them what we wanted. Personally I want just about 100% of that put in, but while that may not happen anytime soon, I will at least know that they can keep working on it over time, as that document will still be in their hands.

  8. Thats all for now I will post more as I re-read. Thanks for all the hard work on the prepared documents.

    And thank you for the feedback.








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