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Thread: smuggler revamp pushed back to publish 11... well... answers please, we're in 11.3 now and no word
didn't we take it like a "great community" ?
now it's 11.3 and NO WORD about our revamp
or was it the talus mission ?
see what I mean now ?
Message Edited by YamadaMan on 12-03-2004 02:00 PM
I have read this thread before. I point out this post from Waste93, rifleman correspondent on the first page:
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Well it is good to hear that it is delayed. But only if you are delaying it to make better changes and not delaying it
because you don't have enough people to work on it right now.
The original "revamp" looked more like a hotfix than a revamp in all honesty.
This also means you need to communicate more of what ideas you are looking at. Less of this vague and general comments.
This will let our community look at those ideas and see how many holes we can poke in them. This in turn lets you and the Devs
tweak or change it so you come out with positive changes and not just changes that get rammed down our throat.
Now smuggling missions will be nice. But a revamp should entail more than that and adding a couple spices.
So what ideas are you looking at for the Underworld branch? What ideas are we looking at adding to the Masters box?
What changes are we looking at for Dirty Fighting? Are we going to be able to experiment on spices or are you just going to remove
that skill completely (in other words, fix it or remove it).?
Now we don't need lots of specifics. Say if you are going to add a new combat move you don't have to give us the damage
multiplier, delay multiplier, and HAM multiplier. You can give us the basics. But some info is needed.
Are we going to be able to pick a slice at Master? What ideas are you looking at adding that you've picked up from the forums?
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Look at the first line I put in red. If we could have seen even a sliver of what he saw, then we would have known that a delay was in order
The following 2 lines in red echo my sentiments exactly. The problem though? That one post never left that thread.
Again, better communication would alleviate a large percentage of not only our problems but many other professions as well.
"Being a jerk on the forums" isn't going to get us much support,...its not going to get us any serious attention or consideration except if you
go overboard and get banned by GarVa. Then we become short one voice that can help us get to where we need to go.
what did they get ?
MULTIPLE revamps
perma death moved from 1 to 3
perma death removed - xp loss instead
full 2 parts revamps
and NONE of em were planned
we got as a last delay, publish 11, and we said "thank you"
now it's 11.3 not a word, not an apology, not another deadline, NOTHING AT ALL but a cheezy mission in space with NO REWARD AT ALL.
facts are:
jedi whiners got numerous fixes/revamps
smugglers "mature" got ignorance from the devs
those are the FACTS, period.
No offense bro, but you have to open your mind to this idea. Jedi whined, made a mess of the forums,and petioned hard. They caused a ruckus, but in the end they got what they wanted. What you might not be aware of is the effect that had on the rest of the game.
Would you care to honestly tell me how many times you have heard or have personally made complaints that the devs chose to fix the Jedi despite the changes needed to other professions... despite changes that were needed in the combat system... DESPITE changes that were needed for SMUGGLERS??? I could burn down our planet with the flames from people angry that Jedi were given attention instead of critical parts of the game.
Jedi got what they wanted, but the whole game got screwed because of it. I hope you keep that in mind about the critical parts of this game. I for one am not going to support raising hell and destroying relations both with developers and players just to get what I want for the smuggler profession. The squeeky wheel gets the grease, but a whole lot of other wheels in this game are bearing alot more weight than our profession okay. You know this is true.Like it or hate it, you are just going to have to accept it, move on, and stop making so much annoying noise that I can't even think straight!
Constructive noise, good. Raising hell, umm.. not so good. Think of the kittens and think of the community.
*Beers YamadaMan with a Natural Light (tm) beer*
but cmon, let's be real, we HAD a dead line, now we MET the deadline, and what I'd like to see, is AT LEAST some apologies and eventually a NEW deadline and the assurance that SOE will STICK to the deadline.
see the new "in live" posts, nothing about us, instead, some unasked changes about loot permissions in groups and other BS. not a word for us and WE MET the deadline. I think I got a good education, and when I can't be at a meeting, I tell people before and set another meeting, that's common sense, that's how polite people are.
we had a "meeting" with the devs, they didn't show up, they didn't "give us a call", and they're not answering when we "call" them, and that's not "polite".
we deserve more than ignorance, everyday, our community is getting smaller and smaller, it became obvious that exploiters will never get banned (0400 powerup slicers) even tho, I think the bug was fixed (I'm not even sure).
so how longer should we wait ? until the "community" remains to one smuggler per server and they finally decide to remove the profession due to the "lack of interrest" ? I hate petitions and such, but it slowly became obvious that SOE works this way, so either we adapt, either we die.
it's easy for triple masters and combat characters to deal with the delay, I play an entertainer/smuggler, so what can I do besides entertaining ? fight mobs ? not strong enough ! deal faction ? I don't want to run afk macros, and I can't fight to earn enough faction ! deal spices ? who buy em ? slice ? and spend hours pulling tools out of crates for 5000 credits a slice and unthankfull custommers, no thanx !
I've reach a point where only the title makes me keep my skills.
so this might look harsh and jerk-ish, but screw the other professions, screw all, we waited for our revamp since too long, we met the deadline yet, so let the revamp happen.
you want to know why we didn't get a word ? because they don't know what kind of BS they could create to make us wait any further, before it was space, now that space is here and our content spread all over, they don't have a REASON to push the revamp anymore. so they remain silent and hope that we don't mess up the boards so they can push our revamp even further.
I feel sorry for goliath, cause I really think that guy was abused by SOE team, they may have though "if we introduce em a new red, they'll shut up". not this time.
I realize that, in posting such threads, I alter the quality of our forums, and I really feel sorry about this, I really do feel sorry about everyone who want to be nice and who's naive enough to think it'll work.
but when I step to the jedi boards, and see how they are, then log into the game and see what jedis got. I feel disgusted, and I'm disgusted to use such methods to get my voice heard, really it's the truth.
we have a sentence here, it probably exists in most languages, and it says
"too gentle, too stupid"
now I feel like a dumped boyfriend, deseperately trying to get my girl back, despite how the girl obviously doesn't want to hear about me anymore. and this feels really bad.
I feel betrayed, because I took the last delay well, and now, as we met the deadline, I got nothing at all.
Korrack wrote:I'm at work so no time and I'm also too lazy to look around, but I thought we were told some time during the summer that a "Smuggler Revamp" would be after JTL and after the Combat Update? And we were also told that there would be no more discussions of future updates, just whatever they were working on. We were also told that some Smuggler changes would be part of the Combat Update.Yes, they cancelled the "after publish 11" update, but I believe they did tell us. That post was dated back in May? Things change weekly around here.
I remember this, although I do not remember the exact date. A lot of people got upset about this as Jedi got pushed in before everything else. I remember most people were agreeing that CU was a higher priority and that they were rather offended that Jedi pushed it back. At that time I didn't expect a smuggler rewamp till spring 2005 and it seems that I might have been optimistic about that. I remember reading that CU would be fixed first and then the GCW after which profession rewamps would be undertaken. CU was supposed to be made back in August and GCW was supposed to be around February. Taking this into consideration then CU will likely hit around March and GCW in May or June which meas that the first profession rewamp might come in June along with the GCW or around one month later... unless it's the Smuggler rewamp in which case I think it'll take a longer time... that is if they are going to implement content and smuggling for us. So at best we might get our rewamp some time in late summer 2005. At which time I'll probably be playing Wish or preparing for Imperator.
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WesBelden wrote:
All profession revamps have been slated for after the CU, which is currently being worked on. Other than that we don't know what's next, just that we're in there somewhere.
Wes, Can we geta couplequestions about the profession revamps. Is this one big revamp for all of them? or revamp for each profession one at a time??
If its one at a time, could you please pass on to make smugglers one of the first ones.
WesBelden wrote:
All profession revamps have been slated for after the CU, which is currently being worked on. Other than that we don't know what's next, just that we're in there somewhere.
I think we Smugglers all know that we are after the combat upgrade. However, I think whats going on right now is our jokeying for postition. I don't think most of us are willing to wait till all other professions are finished being "upgraded" revamped whatever to get our Smuggler revamp. It would be sad to say "Hey we made you wait sooo long, and now we are gonna make you wait till everybody else is done." The combat upgrade is way more important to us & everybody else. THE GCW upgrade/revamp is probably more important to the game then anything else they "could" be doing but after that the very TOP 3 things that should be done are:
1.Smuggler Revamp
2.Squad Leader Revamp
3. Ranger Revamp
.............................. They are rowwing quietly in the same boat we are........
Message Edited by Saabotage on 12-05-2004 08:22 PM
Amen!!!