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Thread: Bring back the smuggle in smuggler and introduce a real black market.

samijx
Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:16 pm
#1

There have been some discussions....one in the economy forum, andother in the weaponsmith forum. The discussions have to do with prohibiting the sale ofsliced goods on public vendors. Many of the weaponsmths think this is a bad idea but I disagree.



  1. Sliced items are supposed to be illegal. Why have them for sale on public vendors? I rememebr a long time ago, you'd see a crowd of peope outside coronet waiting to get their gear sliced by a smuggler. It actually gave a form of player interaction and a certain feel about the game....I liked it when I was a smuggler. Make some kits and go out and do a bit of illegal modifications for an hour or so to collect some cash.

  2. We all know that there's practically no use for spices anymore. Spices ought to be as powerful (if not more powerful) than high end foods. Spices have the drawback of downtime after the effect wears off....a realistic downside to taking such herbal enhancements. Spices ought to be made more powerful.

  3. So how to sell sliced weapons and these improved spices? Well...two ways:


  • One...a smuggler can sell person to person (an underworld type of operation.)

  • A second meathod could be for a master merchant to gain a skill called "Sell black market merchandise" Master merchants can gain the ability to hire and train special vendors who "have ways" to offer such items and avoid unwanted attention.

So what to you smuggers think about this? I'm sure the spice part will happen once the smugglers get their much needed (and promised) revamp....but that's a few months after CU. They can institute the sliced weapon/armor ideas pretty easily I thinik.






Sami-jx (Naritus)
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Sambacca (Naritus)
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Rissen
Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:21 pm
#2

cough * ahem....


read here


posted earlier this morning hee hee


Message Edited by Rissen on 02-15-2005 02:22 PM


Message Edited by Rissen on 02-15-2005 02:23 PM

Message Edited by Rissen on 02-15-2005 02:23 PM



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NickHeel
Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:24 pm
#3
"Bring back"? When was it ever here?




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Rissen
Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:25 pm
#4




NickHeel wrote:

"Bring back"? When was it ever here?





lol well thats true too...



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dlc3007
Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:29 pm
#5




NickHeel wrote:

"Bring back"? When was it ever here?



Crud.... You beat me to it.



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Rissen
Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:37 pm
#6
I hate to follow links and read through so i won't make you guys do it either...here is the cut and paste of what I said in response to possible bazaar changes and whether smuggler items should be allowed to sell on the bazaar:



The answer to this is multi-fold i think:


Create a skill at advertising 4 or master merchant that allows for global bazaar placement


Charge a fee for said placement


Create a skill at hiring 4 or master that allow for "shipping"


Charge a fee for said "delivery"


Expect prices on these conveniences to be high


Disallow slice or spice from being on bazaar or make a 50% chance that said item aggros you to police on the planet in question(maybe even a stiff factional penalty say to the corsec, rsf, etc.)


Create a vendor(s) in Underworld 4 or Master Smuggler that is called Black Market Traders.


Do not give black market traders planetary map registration.


Allow smugglers to use connections skill to register with crime organizations and or shady dealers via missions or payment. Nym, Jabba, Borvo, Valerian, Jawas, Junk Dealers, etc. this would allow players to get a list of planetary black market vendors in their datapad that were temporary(maybe added tot the poi tab or a new tab as to not clutter the wp tab)




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Smuggler_Caylin
Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:29 pm
#7
I've always agreed with a black market and have thrown my words into that evil maelstrom of the forums lurking outside of this community. Somethings we can argue about but the core of what we should be approach is, should illegal items be listed publically across the galaxy. My opinion is no.



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samijx
Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:30 pm
#8




NickHeel wrote:

"Bring back"? When was it ever here?






Yes it was. I remember when I was a master about 9 months ago..... It certainly wasn't great, but there were two things I miss.


1. Some spices were actually used with regularity. Muon gold, pixie, and on occasion some other spices were used (albiet with less frequency)


2. Smugglers would be easily searchable near theed and coronet where they would sit and slice...in a similar manner to what doctors do these days.


I agree it's not much, but it was much better back then. These days the only way to get a slice is to buy it that way, or have a master Smuggler friend. I'm considering dropping master shipwright and get my smuggler back for that very reason.





Sami-jx (Naritus)
Master Weaponsmith, Master Armorsmith, Master Artisan, Merchant 4043

Sambacca (Naritus)
Master Bounty Hunter, Master Combat Medic, Carbineer 0400, Reflexes 0300
NickHeel
Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:49 pm
#9




samijx wrote:





NickHeel wrote:

"Bring back"? When was it ever here?






Yes it was. I remember when I was a master about 9 months ago..... It certainly wasn't great, but there were two things I miss.


1. Some spices were actually used with regularity. Muon gold, pixie, and on occasion some other spices were used (albiet with less frequency)


2. Smugglers would be easily searchable near theed and coronet where they would sit and slice...in a similar manner to what doctors do these days.


I agree it's not much, but it was much better back then. These days the only way to get a slice is to buy it that way, or have a master Smuggler friend. I'm considering dropping master shipwright and get my smuggler back for that very reason.





"Bring back the smuggle in smuggler"


I wasn't aware that the "smuggle" part was ever in Smuggler for it to be missing. Hince the "When was it ever here?" part. I can assure you that I've been around here long enough to remember what has and hasn't been in our profession.


Crafting non cannon (and "if it's in SWG it's cannon because LucasArts said so" is not a valid arguement) "spices" from durni ass and flowers while spamminginpublic for illegal slicing is not the "smuggle" in Smuggler we're looking for.


I understand you said that it wasn't much and you're right. I was merely joking about the "smuggle" never being in Smuggler. While your point is taken, all we can really do is wait for a couple revamps


Spices are getting overhauled (according to Wes) in the Combat Upgrade to bring the powerin line with other buffs. Slicing will undoubtably be touched. As will Dirty Fighting.

When the Smuggler revamp happens, that's when the "smuggle" should happen. I'm not getting my hopes up though...although I want to real bad.








THE LEGENDARY CAPTAIN N'JOH SONIK OF ORD MANTELL
Independent Smuggler N Pilot of the Famous Sonik Rogue N Forever, The Most Legendary and Greatest Smuggler on Tarquinas
SpinningCloud
Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:56 pm
#10
I 100% agree with Brutha Nick.




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NickHeel
Tue Feb 15, 2005 3:04 pm
#11




SpinningCloud wrote:

I 100% agree with Brutha Nick.





Whoor what is "Brutha" and will it help me unlock?

Message Edited by NickHeel on 02-15-2005 04:07 PM




THE LEGENDARY CAPTAIN N'JOH SONIK OF ORD MANTELL
Independent Smuggler N Pilot of the Famous Sonik Rogue N Forever, The Most Legendary and Greatest Smuggler on Tarquinas
SpinningCloud
Tue Feb 15, 2005 3:09 pm
#12
It's the secret to unlocking smuggling content. That's all I know about it though.



Smuggler, Smuggler, Smuggler Pie, Two years of "Soon"(TM), a harsh bunch of lies.
Ask me a riddle and I reply: "Smuggler, Smuggler, Smuggler Pie"

Smuggler, Smuggler, Smuggler Pie, Dancers can't smuggle and neither can I.
Ask me a riddle and I reply: "Smuggler, Smuggler, Smuggler Pie."

Smuggler, Smuggler, Smuggler Pie, Why are there Jedi, I don't know why.
Ask me a riddle and I reply: "Smuggler, Smuggler, Smuggler Pie."

samijx
Tue Feb 15, 2005 3:23 pm
#13


Silly me.....the way it puts smuggle into smuggler, is that the smuggler will slice weapons, then provide them to a master merchant for "Black market" dealings. It is as I said....just a little, but it is a start.


Message Edited by samijx on 02-15-2005 04:25 PM



Sami-jx (Naritus)
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