Smuggler Archive
Thread: I posted this on the Jedi board
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_Nightrunner_
Sat May 14, 2005 9:05 am
#1
I am a smuggler/bh, and last ditch hits in a real fight maybe 1 out of 20 times. When it does, it often times hits for about 2k damage in which case if a Jedi is already kicking your butt wont make much difference. (Rifleman can normally hit for 1.6k)
From what I see you guys want to get smugglers nerfed because of what "possibly" could happen. When you consider the fact that 1/4 of your shots will be blocked anyway, plus the fact that you could miss, pluss the fact that last ditch has a long timer on it and the fact that you can only use it when you are almost dead, it hits very infrequentlyeffective a real fight with a jedi and getting a good damage hit (3k) is very rare. As I said I went up against about 20 higher level jedi and it worked for me once to actually incap the jedi.
So there is an incredible amount of luck involved, so many factors have to align themselves perfectly for this to work effectively but Jedi are freaking out becuase a smuggler "might have a rare chance" of killing them.
In all honesty i do not ever rely on last ditch to win a fight, it is like playing bingo, i might pull out a luck card but I am not going to stake my livelihood on it.
I feel that many Jedi may not know about how it works but I do know that you guys will be successful about getting it nerfed even if you dont know all the facts.. Why? How many times have the devs listened to Jedi and how many times have they listened to smuggler?
Most jedi in a 1 vs 1 can kill you easily between the time your health is low enough to effectively use last ditch and by the time the warmup timer goes off from you trying to use it.
Yes a few jedi have died from this, I have killed a couple of them, but many jedi have killed me becuase the shot missed, got blocked, took to long to execute, or did execute but didnt do enough damage.
What is happening is that theyou guys are dueling a smuggler in a controlled "test" environment, and they are standing there "letting the smuggler last ditch them". This is a controlled environment where they are specifically non trying to kill the smuggler for testing purposes, one in which they are ignoring all of the misses and low damage shots and the warmup timerso that they can imply that every time they go up agianst a smuggler they get one shot by last ditch for 4k+ damage. This is not the case by a long shot. I honestly feel you guys are jumping the gun on this one. Please keep in mind that I am a bh and I do have a jedi as well. I took up smuggler not as a template to kill Jedi with, but becuase that was what I wanted to be when I bought the game in the summer of 2003. That was my first profession and it will be my last?
How would you feel if every cool move you had constantly go nerfed because some jealous sibling had a dev sugar daddy? (this line may come across as a flame but it was meant to be funny)
Please do some real testing where you are actually trying to kill the smuggler who wants to last ditch you. I think you owe us this after getting fiend death nerfed.
Here are some tips on how to further reduce the ability of someone to use last ditch on you:
If you suspect or know your bh is a smuggler, eat synthsteak right before he gets low on health.
If you are a defender template, forget about being last ditched to death becuase last ditch will never hit for that much damage.
Kill the smuggler ASAP, the last ditch timer is long and if you have the smuggler down far enough that he can effectively use last ditch you should be able to kill him before he can get it off. (A single saber throw should do the job)
_Nightrunner_
Sat May 14, 2005 9:12 am
#2
Esentually their argument breaks down too:
Icould possibly getone shot incapped from a smuggler so last ditch should be nerfed.
They have not taken into consideration how rare of an occurance this actually is practice in the event that the Jedi is actually trying to kill the smuggler. I believe this is our best argument for trying to keep it from getting nerfed. Why do I want it to not get nerfed? Is it because this is my secret "jedi killing weapon"? It is hardly effective often enough for me to consider as my primary tactical advantage. It would be like saying our primary national defense strategy is to nuke all our own cities so the enemy cant take them over.
The reason i dont want last ditch nerfed is becuase it is truely a beutiful move that although it rarely works makes a smuggler feel a little "smugglerish" since the game was first released. The move is not overpowered in any way and I if I thought it was then I would admit it. Smuggler for the first time is BEGINNING to become the beuitiful profession it should have been all along. I could pick up a carbine or rifle and do more raw damage that a smuggler could even with last ditch hitting, the difference is that we do low amounts of damge over time and have a rare chance of hitting for a high amount. They do high amounts of damage consistantly.
But when it does hit, it can really scare people because the damage comes all at once. Please dont have smugglers turned into another random vanilla profession becuase of an over-reaction and becuase you dont have all the facts.
WranglerDekar
Sat May 14, 2005 9:20 am
#3
well what it hurts is us Smugglers who aren't in it for the Jedi killing with a BH/Smugg template. like me roleplaying the Smuggler/Pistoleer that doesn't PvP and is not a BH...this whole discussion is beginning to really anger the non PvP group, and I'm sure I'm not alone in saying this. The shot works as intended, and it's not a programming fault, it's a personal fault for people ruining probably the best profession around for roleplaying purposes....but who roleplays anyways right CS kiddies? *rolls eyes*
_Nightrunner_
Sat May 14, 2005 9:35 am
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The fact is that I had a difficult choice. I was a master bounty hunter on my main server now and I was a master smuggler pistoleer on my last server. When I made the difficult choice of what I wanted to be, smuggler or bh I went with smuggler pistoller. I was trying to figure out what to do with my extra points and I realized I could put them in investigation.
I do understand how you would get frustrated becuase you are PVE only and how your profession might get nerfed becuase of PVPers. Keep in mind though that people who choose to PVP have just as much right to do that as you do to PVE. Last ditch is in no way a move that unbalances combat and makes smuggler uber in PVP. It is simply a rare cool move that when it does hit in a real combat situation can completely turn the tables on a fight. Ihave seen people use sniper shot to hit for as much or more thanfiend death"usually" hits for and that is a move that is an "opening" move rather than a closing one. There is no reason that last ditch should be nerfed for PVE or PVP reasons. It is not unbalanced and the only way that it could be nerfed would be because the devs listen to the Jedi and give them most everything they ask for.
Daytona
Sun May 15, 2005 12:34 am
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As a Jedi, I think the last ditch shot should stay. I haven't been hit with it yet, but I am sure it willsting some. If I want to avoid it, I will eat my Synthesteak and my Pikatta Pie and go for more of a Defender template. If not, well, I have been warned. That is probably the only advantage to the BH/Smuggler combo anyway, don't see too many people choosing that when they can increase their DPS more with Pistoleer.
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