Smuggler Archive
Thread: Slicing Vs. Reverse Engineering
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SmugglinZane
Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:02 am
#1
OK, I really want to be able to slice ship components... well mainly just the shields, engines, and guns. It just makes sense to me. However, I do not see RE as slicing.
RE takes x number of components, and set'stheir stats to be equal to the best stat for each category. What does this mean? Shipwrights can take their crappy crafted item (since lotted ones seem to be better) and make it to be as good as the looted one they got. I see no problem with this, and I actually think it's a good thing since creating a schematic for an item everytime you RE something would get way to hectic.
As far as slicing the three components I mentioned above, it is my understanding that because of the whole mass thing, they don't want us messing with them. To this I have only one response, who said I had to be messing with the output. What I mean is I'd much rather adjust the recharge rate or power consumption of a space weapon or shield vice making it stronger. I think we let their imagination limit what they could do. Maybe we can put a legitimate proposal together that allows us to slice certain ship components without overpowering anything (limit it to secondary stats).
Zane
Jibbrish
Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:29 am
#2
Sorry Zane, RE cannot be done on crafted items.
Slicing ship components would be nice though...
KiayaWi
Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:54 am
#3
I have a sweeeeeeetttt weapon for my rocket, just wish I could speed slice it 
Jalgraxa
Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:55 am
#4
Im on board with yall too......really yanks on the nuts that we cant slice ship componets
SmugglinZane
Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:14 am
#5
Jibbrish wrote:
Sorry Zane, RE cannot be done on crafted items.
Slicing ship components would be nice though...
According to the guide in the shipwright forum (beta thread) and some of the posts I've seen there, it can be. My friend and I are going to test this out as soon as he makes some components though. The proccess for RE is put A amount of like items in RE kit, where X is equal to the RE level of the item. The RE analizes the items and makes their stats equal to the highest level held. From my understanding, this was done to create a balance between looted components and crafted ones... I'll let you know if I confirm one way or the other... If it's wrong, then sorry.
Zane
Jalgraxa
Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:16 am
#6
we have tried but were not successful 
if you are lucky enough please post your findings...heck who knows we may find that it magically can be done one day 
if you are lucky enough please post your findings...heck who knows we may find that it magically can be done one day
Jibbrish
Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:21 am
#7
By all means, test away
SmugglinZane wrote:
Jibbrish wrote:
Sorry Zane, RE cannot be done on crafted items.
Slicing ship components would be nice though...
According to the guide in the shipwright forum (beta thread) and some of the posts I've seen there, it can be. My friend and I are going to test this out as soon as he makes some components though. The proccess for RE is put A amount of like items in RE kit, where X is equal to the RE level of the item. The RE analizes the items and makes their stats equal to the highest level held. From my understanding, this was done to create a balance between looted components and crafted ones... I'll let you know if I confirm one way or the other... If it's wrong, then sorry.
Zane
, i couldn't do it in beta and there are still no RE numbers on crafted items, ergo, no RE can be done on crafted items. It would make the hunt for those level 5 components much easier if we could though.
TomoRainer
Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:55 am
#8
REing crafted items is, as far as I know, impossible, and it should probably be kept that way. The existing system (with a few tweaks, like making crafted capacitors worth anything, or looted armor being better than auto-delete, etc.) is pretty solid--I've RE'd a number of items, including weapons of all things, that are either flat-out better than their crafted counterparts, or are situationally better due to how good they are in relation to their mass/energy consumption. Granted, the numbers on certain things need to be fiddled with, but I've been impressed by the balance already existing between crafted and RE'd items.
Letting crafted items be RE'd, however, gets pretty problematic. I could craft 7 different advanced blasters, experimenting on a different stat each time, and combine them all into a weapon of total devastation that would be leagues ahead of a normal blaster, for instance. And if we were limited to how many crafted items we could put into an REing session--like no more than one, for instance--you could still figure out where it would be most viable to experiment based on the various stats of the looted items you've already got. That might actually be kind of fun, but it would need to be considered long and hard before anything like it were ever put into play, because potential for abuse seems very high.
I like the system so far. If on top of this they found a way to let smugglers make some modifications of our own, I'd be downright floored.
Letting crafted items be RE'd, however, gets pretty problematic. I could craft 7 different advanced blasters, experimenting on a different stat each time, and combine them all into a weapon of total devastation that would be leagues ahead of a normal blaster, for instance. And if we were limited to how many crafted items we could put into an REing session--like no more than one, for instance--you could still figure out where it would be most viable to experiment based on the various stats of the looted items you've already got. That might actually be kind of fun, but it would need to be considered long and hard before anything like it were ever put into play, because potential for abuse seems very high.
I like the system so far. If on top of this they found a way to let smugglers make some modifications of our own, I'd be downright floored.
Jalgraxa
Fri Nov 05, 2004 8:16 am
#9
We should be able to slice the items but after they are sliced cannot be REd again...slice the final product and thats that
SmugglinZane
Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:40 am
#10
Maybe have the option of either slicing or REing the component.
Would really matter with higher level stuff, I'd save it for RE because you stand to benefit more, but I'd slice the heck out of some of my level 3 components.
Otherwise, like I said, I'd be happy with some sort of substat like recharge rate or power consumption. We're not affecting the mass, which I hear they don't want to mess with, and I don't think it would creat overpowered items because we're not directly effecting the output.
Hell, I'd be happy with a 10 or 15 percent cap on the slices vice the 35 and 45 percent caps we have.
Zane
Oh yeah, and I dug a little deeper, my apologies, you cannot RE created components.
maloso
Fri Nov 05, 2004 1:46 pm
#11
Yeah bro I know what most of us are thinking.....................Wasn't this suppose to be our job???
That was before SOE pushed us aside for EVERYONE else.
Maloso Bria
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