Smuggler Archive
Thread: Slicing Tool Quality -- pros and cons
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Hattrix
Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:37 pm
#1
I dunno if GM stated that slicing tools (WUKs, AUKs, PLK, Clamps) and the outcome of the slice would be dependant on the tool quality.
Either way .... what do you guys think?
Here's my 2 cr:
I feel that the quality of the slice should be 100% dependant on the skill of the Smuggler. I enjoy slicing. I enjoy making LOTS of money from slicing. I don't want to have to pay 50+ credits per unit for resources to make tools (or pay the guy that makes the tools 500 times more). And that's even if the resources are available. I'd HATE to have to hunt around and find the resources as well. Take your standard wirecutter .... you can't go to a hardware store and buy a BAD wirecutter. Yes some are made better than others, but for what you need a wirecutter for (to cut a friggin wire), any oldone will do. But.... the skill of the guy using the wirecutter ... how steady his hand is .... his coordination .... his patience .... his experience may mean the difference in cutting the wire that blows up the bomb, or cutting the wire that defuses the bomb.
I like it random if it can't be a skill point related outcome. Unfortunately, its too easy to get crates of survival knives and slice those for experience until you reach the "top" of the slice outcome scale. Therefore ... keep it random withouttool quality entering the outcome.
Master Smugglers should get a tighter outcome though.
/deadhorse stopbeat
Xeranx
Mon Jun 28, 2004 9:12 pm
#2
What I would like to see is us being able to choose the speed or damage when slicing. The resulting percentage could be random still and I wish it would be dependent on the quality of the weapon. Much like you see on fishing poles I think there should be a qualtiy rating on weapons.
P__Day
Mon Jun 28, 2004 9:32 pm
#3
i dont wanna chose speed or damage i want to get a smaller "gap" at master so when your a master all your slices are 20% and up for instance
TheWok
Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:59 pm
#4
I do not want tool quality to matter. Slicing is a skill. It's not as complicated as finding high resources and experimenting until you find the optimum way to combine certain things. A laser knife is a laser knife. But on the other hand, slicing is so much more than cutting two wires. Bypassing the anti-tampering device, finding the right wires, making sure not to overload the power supplies--all these take skill, and that skill comes from the mind and experience--not from finding the right resources.
I like Caylin's "experimentation" idea for slicing. That's the way I'd like to see it done.
YamadaMan
Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:40 am
#5
nah I don't want tool quality to matter but they could have an influence on slice type damage or speed, and they can be crafted/experimented like weapons powerup...
DRWolfe
Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:50 am
#6
I agree. Skill is what matters.
Hattrix wrote:
I dunno if GM stated that slicing tools (WUKs, AUKs, PLK, Clamps) and the outcome of the slice would be dependant on the tool quality.
Either way .... what do you guys think?
Here's my 2 cr:
I feel that the quality of the slice should be 100% dependant on the skill of the Smuggler. I enjoy slicing. I enjoy making LOTS of money from slicing. I don't want to have to pay 50+ credits per unit for resources to make tools (or pay the guy that makes the tools 500 times more). And that's even if the resources are available. I'd HATE to have to hunt around and find the resources as well. Take your standard wirecutter .... you can't go to a hardware store and buy a BAD wirecutter. Yes some are made better than others, but for what you need a wirecutter for (to cut a friggin wire), any oldone will do. But.... the skill of the guy using the wirecutter ... how steady his hand is .... his coordination .... his patience .... his experience may mean the difference in cutting the wire that blows up the bomb, or cutting the wire that defuses the bomb.
I like it random if it can't be a skill point related outcome. Unfortunately, its too easy to get crates of survival knives and slice those for experience until you reach the "top" of the slice outcome scale. Therefore ... keep it random withouttool quality entering the outcome.
Master Smugglers should get a tighter outcome though.
/deadhorse stopbeat
SnowTigre
Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:05 am
#7
Sorry guy's here is my $20 daollar's worth, I do feel that the quality of the tool's used in the slice should be taken into account. So what is you have to pay more for the equipment you use..
Not Like most Smuggler I make all my own equipment, even my own WUKI's and AUK's I have the WS and AS make the schematic's for me.. and I give them better than standard material's to use in the making for the needed equipment..
I feel that it should matter in the ende slice..
The Thing that I would seriously like to see the tighting of the % incerese you get in your slice..
lvl 3 weapon Slicing.. 15% - 30%..
lvl 4 Armour Slicing.. 20% - 35%..
Master Smuggler.. 25% - 35% for weapon and Base Slice on armour..
30% - >45% fo encumbarnce Slice..
My Idea is that if we use better equipment to slice we should get beter result's or even the choice of what slice we get..
For example my idea is:
Slicing a weapon..
Molecular clamp Quallity 96%.. [MC]
Precission knife Quallity 96%.. [PK]
WuK Quality 90%.. [WUK]
If you use the forumla..
MC x PK x WUK = the factor of slice..
.96 x .96 x .9 = .829.. or 82.9%..
0 -25 % no chioce and random factor on the slice..
26% - 40% the slice is stil random, but the range for the slice tighten's Up..
41% - 60% the slice is still random, the range tighten's up again ..
61% - 70% the smuggler get a choice of what they slice..
>71% the master smuggler is given the choice of the what they are slicing and the range of thier slice is in the top of their range..
ie the master smuggler is guarrenteed to get a slice of:
30% and above for weapen/ base armour slice..
40% and above for an Armour Encumbrance Slice..
Now tell me how many smuggler would not pay the expense of getting the equipent that will give you the UBer Slice that the ever player Wishes to get..
SnowTigre..
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