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Thread: Alright- JTL is out. Pub 11.Blah Blah is in... Shouldn't we be discussing the REVAMP with a DEV?
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SmugglinZane
Sun Nov 14, 2004 2:07 pm
#1
I, and many others, understand all that, but what we should get is a direct response to our community. The only 2 professions that have had "In Development" threads for a revamp of our profession are us and Squad Leaders. Now instead of just blowing us off with wide spectrum statements to everyone, I think they need to at least tell us both what their new plans are for us both. I'd love to ask for a timeline, but too many people will take that and run way off on a tangent with us, so at this point I'd settle for some direct addressal of our status.
Zane
Spec-Ops
Sun Nov 14, 2004 2:39 pm
#2
i think they locked GM in a metal box for talking about a revamp with smugglers... something about 'giving us hope'
HOTDOG
Sun Nov 14, 2004 3:21 pm
#3
I understand that it is going to take some time for the big Combat Rebalance and GCW revamps-
The actual work on our revamp is probably at least 3-4 months out but I think it will take at least that
long to pull the ideas together and see if they are feasible and what not.
Now, we as a community have already thrown out several proposals on things like:
smuggling
smuggler bounties
controling slices
special weapon slices
sidekicks
new spices
adding unarmed moves
filling the master box
updating text in description boxes
The list goes on- It would be greatly appreciated if we could talk to a Dev about what we can expect.
This is not a complaint. I am MORE than willing to reiterate ideas I'vesuggested before and I'll throw
inputon other ideas- AS LONG AS THERE IS A DEV INVOLVED. Otherwise I think it's just a waste of
time (I know because I did contribute to this forum heavily just before GM showed up and continued to until it
became obvious that we were being shoved aside again). Even then what we did has amounted to nothing.
I think we all want (and deserve) a little more information at this point.
Are we going to have a revamp or is it going to bejust a few changes along with other professions?
Are we going to be able to smuggle? Do you want us to?
Are smuggler bounties even a consideration?
You know, what I mean?
Ternque01
Sun Nov 14, 2004 4:48 pm
#4
HOTDOG wrote:
I understand that it is going to take some time for the big Combat Rebalance and GCW revamps-
The actual work on our revamp is probably at least 3-4 months out but I think it will take at least that
long to pull the ideas together and see if they are feasible and what not.
Nah, I think GM already has the same ideas he presented us slated for the revamp. The devs do read our boards, and as many of us have pointed out, GM's ideas showed heavily that he was reading what we were writing all this time.
It won't take long to pull together the ideas. GM's vague planseems that not only are the ideas he has fairly developed, but they do reflect what our community wants. So I guess what I'm saying is that the ideas won't take that long to pull together once the time comes to make the decisions on what is to be included.
Ternque01
Sun Nov 14, 2004 4:49 pm
#5
Spec-Ops wrote:
i think they locked GM in a metal box for talking about a revamp with smugglers... something about 'giving us hope'
LOL! You're funny.
kgmkiorys
Sun Nov 14, 2004 4:58 pm
#6
i'm rather lazy right now to perform a search, but if i remember, TH (or was it Tiggs?) covered this aspect in the post talking about the incoming combat balance / upgrade / thingy / messup...
That's not the exact wording, but it was pretty like :
"You won't see any dev talking about anything apart from the combat upgrade or current bugs/issues."
Correct me if i'm wrong, but i do believe i'm right, it just hit me when i saw it because at this moment i understood we were going to have to wait for the magagement team to die to see a dev again in these boards.
HOTDOG
Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:07 am
#7
Seriously. Shouldn't we?
I know the Combat ReBalance is going to happen first (as well as the GCW revamp right?) but we should be talking to someone by now, no?
Greenmarine are you out there?
EmpireEntrepeneur
Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:29 am
#8
Well we're gonna have to look at basic economics. Until yours or my name appears on the Devs paycheck, we will just be the peanut gallery. You wont see a one on one with a Dev.
How it works in my theory is that we as a community need to focus on the problems and PROVIDE solutions that the majority can agree with that:
1) Is not impossible or too painful to code
2) Does not alter the balance of other professions
These ideas are then collected by the player correspondant and submitted to which ever dev is assigned to work on our revamp. Now Im sure that Dev has several tasks than just one profession on his/her desk.
So my advice, is stop complaining about a revamp because it doesnt help them and doesnt help us. Provide solutions not problems. Discuss things that are important.
How it works in my theory is that we as a community need to focus on the problems and PROVIDE solutions that the majority can agree with that:
1) Is not impossible or too painful to code
2) Does not alter the balance of other professions
These ideas are then collected by the player correspondant and submitted to which ever dev is assigned to work on our revamp. Now Im sure that Dev has several tasks than just one profession on his/her desk.
So my advice, is stop complaining about a revamp because it doesnt help them and doesnt help us. Provide solutions not problems. Discuss things that are important.
SmugglinZane
Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:29 am
#9
Actually, and not to put you on the spot here Wes, can we get an estimate on when we'll start to hear something.
Back during the Summit, GM got on and said he's still looking forward to looking with us or something. Well, it's getting around that time in the whole development cycle stuff that we should be getting him back. Can we get something more on this?
I know a lot has changed, but the devs should at least respect the fact that through it all, they've told us we would be getting our revamp... and that GM was being assigned to it. Now I know we'll never get a full commitment, but it would at least be nice to hear what they plan on doing with us at this point. Are we going to just get tossed in with a lot of other professions, or are we going to get a devoted revamp? Answering that one question will tell us a lot of what to expect in the coming weeks.
Zane
ARC_Casper
Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:34 am
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CU is not your normal publish, Smuggler revamp won't be for at least 3 more publishes and the next 2 are going to be very long to develop. So not until after the CU has came and gone to live and GCW is about to start is when something should start ramping up.
imodi
Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:32 am
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I have just realised something, i have recently starting spending much mre time on the boards (since i started smuggler and came here 
) anyway, absolutely nothing i say will stand any chance of being noticed by SOE because,
) anyway, absolutely nothing i say will stand any chance of being noticed by SOE because,1. Im a smuggler, and it would appear SOE pretend we don't exist and hope we will go and sit in a corner out of the way.
2. Im from the UK, (anyone from UK tried to get the JTL bonus disk??) again it would appear they would like us to sit in a corner and stay out of the way.
I have only one solution:
SHOUT LOUDER!
Seriously though, i have seen nerf after nerf in this game, for all but the very popular professions (rifles/tkm/jedii etc) the rebalance has to be done 1st, and i agree however irritating it is; that SOE have banned staff from discussing anything other than current work and the CU, then they can't be balled at for something not happening again. I prey the CU goes well and GM comes and fixes Smuggler, but till then i suppose im stuck in my little corner
SBRD0C
Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:08 am
#12
Considering all the Documents, Consolidated Issues Spreadsheets, Re-submitted Reformatted Documents and misssion statements, and definitions etc. etc. etc.
That we have provided the Dev Team before, it is my firm opinion that in order for them to not know what we want by now they would all have to be blind, deaf, AND dumb.
Of course the past talks with GM proved that not to be true. His posts were very on-key to what we have been asking for all along.. still it would be nice to get som re-affirmation now that JTL has been released that All of our previous corresponence has not somehow been lost...
Just my 2 Cents
YamadaMan
Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:21 am
#13
smuggler revamp won't happen, just get used to the idea, I love the game and all, but I'm expecting to see the profession just getting removed at some point.
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