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Thread: The + and of PvE/PvP Bounties on Smugglers

Nerj
Thu Jun 17, 2004 4:34 pm
#1


This thread was started to pull the PvE/PvP discussion out of Green Marines Thread.


Pros and Cons of Both:


Please list your comments and I will try of summarize them here

Message Edited by Nerj on 06-17-2004 07:36 PM



Valcyn - Master Marksman Master Commando, Master Smuggler From Tiggs: -- Two words -- Bring it!

WE WILL NOT TIRE, WE WILL NOT FALTER, AND WE WILL NOT FAIL

SBRD0C
Thu Jun 17, 2004 5:36 pm
#2

We appear to have gotten past Pros and Cons and are amidst discussion allowing for both PvP and PvE BH encounters


Summary to date (someone corrrect me if I miss something)


A flag be placed on characters that determine whether high visiblity results in a PvP bounty, or a PvE encounter.


If the person is an avid PvPer or takes missions specifically meant for PvP that flag is set to generate a PvP Bounty.


If the player never engages in PvP, and takes Non-PvP missions then the flag is set to generate an NPC BH encounter..


To the BHs out there: This is not meant to deny you the ability to hunt, PvP players will still appear on your terminals in abundance, this simply allows people who prefer strict PvE to have it as is thier right.


Hope this gets put inI'm ready to see my name on a terminal



Colonel Emitt 'Doc' Brown (Starsider)
Master Smuggler | Master Pistoleer | Commando
Interplanetary Shipping Co. Located Crystal Hollow Dantooine (-6833, 4750)
Vendors Deal in Weapon, Droid, and 'Special Shipments'


/Target SOE; /CLAP

DigiDante
Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:04 pm
#3

I think an acceptance issue for PvP bounties should be incorporated.

I would like to see maybe an NPC bounty hunter take marks on people for their visibility, but no one should be forced to pvp.

I believe that having a high level npc, 50-100k ham as a bounty hunter with me as a mark would be interesting.



Lets say I fail to deliver some narcstims and do not pay jabba for the mission. He puts a mark out for me- BH-Joe sees me on the BH Terminal and clicks the mission. He clicks accept and I am sent an email. I then must slice a terminal to remove my name and cancel his mission, or must get a smuggler to help do so.

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Another level of acceptance would be along the lines of a pop-up on BH-Joe's mark's screen.

Make it to where only online marks can have missions accepted for them. Lets say log-in puts their name on the rotation of missions, and log-out removes it. BH-Joe accepts the mission and since I am online, I get an e-mail saying I have been marked, then through datapad or some ingame accessable window I then have to either accept or decline the invite to be a mark. I insist on not having a Pop-up screen that you have to click yes or no ( such as bank transfers ) because the mark can be assigned at any time and could interrupt tell's, e-mails, combat, crafting et cetera.

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Onto the idea about NPC Bounty hunters.... I think it would be neat to have an NPC bounty hunter such as fett or someone be able to spawn at your location, randomly, and attack you. Make the NPC only con to the mark and his immediate group. It would not be cool to have him spawn and EVERYONE chip in and kill them.

Their HAM should be considerable, make a tough fight to escape.

Either way there is a chance of being killed by a bounty hunter for being visible.



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SBRD0C
Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:19 pm
#4







DigiDante wrote:
I think an acceptance issue for PvP bounties should be incorporated.

I would like to see maybe an NPC bounty hunter take marks on people for their visibility, but no one should be forced to pvp.

I believe that having a high level npc, 50-100k ham as a bounty hunter with me as a mark would be interesting.


Glad you agree.. cause thats exactly what we have been suggesting in the revamp thread today..




Colonel Emitt 'Doc' Brown (Starsider)
Master Smuggler | Master Pistoleer | Commando
Interplanetary Shipping Co. Located Crystal Hollow Dantooine (-6833, 4750)
Vendors Deal in Weapon, Droid, and 'Special Shipments'


/Target SOE; /CLAP

DigiDante
Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:45 pm
#5

Sorry I haven't bothered reading all 600 posts.



Selusa Secundus - Elder Smuggler - September 2003.
Sheeana Secundus - Respec Jedi - Elder Carbineer @ heart.
Raylonis Del'Rathin - Elder Chef, Dancer - Retired / Canceled July 2005.
Leader of the fallen Guild, Veil of Silence.

Without the past, the future would never happen.
Believes in a better future for SWG.
Everytime a Rollback or Additional server thread is spawned SOE murders a kitten. Please... think of the kittens and stop this erradication.
SBRD0C
Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:46 pm
#6






DigiDante wrote:
Sorry I haven't bothered reading all 600 posts.





Nor would I have, had I not been in the middle of them.



Colonel Emitt 'Doc' Brown (Starsider)
Master Smuggler | Master Pistoleer | Commando
Interplanetary Shipping Co. Located Crystal Hollow Dantooine (-6833, 4750)
Vendors Deal in Weapon, Droid, and 'Special Shipments'


/Target SOE; /CLAP

Nerj
Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:48 pm
#7






SBRD0C wrote:






DigiDante wrote:
I think an acceptance issue for PvP bounties should be incorporated.

I would like to see maybe an NPC bounty hunter take marks on people for their visibility, but no one should be forced to pvp.

I believe that having a high level npc, 50-100k ham as a bounty hunter with me as a mark would be interesting.



Glad you agree.. cause thats exactly what we have been suggesting in the revamp thread today..






I am sorry but I see A LOT of problems with this system. Taking of low level low risk Smuggler missions and contraband will NOT get you on the Terminals with the proposed system, where taking HIGHER RISK missions will. The visibilty system will be the same for US and JEDI (both were hunted by Bounty Hunters).


Bounty Hunters will complain, since we WILL take content away from them they are they ONLY profession whose JOB it is to hunt people. Would you want your customers going to a smuggler NPC for spice or slice. Why not, Bounty Hunters could say "we want NPC Smugglers to hunt" and we would have to remain silent since we did it to them FIRST!


Therefore, in order to have Bounty Hunters after us it will have to be PvP. Otherwise, there will only be some NPC looking to work up in some Crime Lords organization after us and yes they could have Heavy Armor , 50% resists, and 100K HAMs; but they won't be Bounty Hunters





Valcyn - Master Marksman Master Commando, Master Smuggler From Tiggs: -- Two words -- Bring it!

WE WILL NOT TIRE, WE WILL NOT FALTER, AND WE WILL NOT FAIL

SBRD0C
Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:57 pm
#8






Nerj wrote:


I am sorry but I see A LOT of problems with this system. Taking of low level low risk Smuggler missions and contraband will NOT get you on the Terminals with the proposed system, where taking HIGHER RISK missions will. The visibilty system will be the same for US and JEDI (both were hunted by Bounty Hunters).


Bounty Hunters will complain, since we WILL take content away from them they are they ONLY profession whose JOB it is to hunt people. Would you want your customers going to a smuggler NPC for spice or slice. Why not, Bounty Hunters could say "we want NPC Smugglers to hunt" and we would have to remain silent since we did it to them FIRST!


Therefore, in order to have Bounty Hunters after us it will have to be PvP. Otherwise, there will only be some NPC looking to work up in some Crime Lords organization after us and yes they could have Heavy Armor , 50% resists, and 100K HAMs; but they won't be Bounty Hunters







Some have already, and I'm sure more are to follow, but one simple thing remains, 1st this is only theory 2nd if it does get implemented there will still be new PC mssions on the BH terminals because the PvE thing is only an OPTION for players not a requirement. I expect that the day of or the day after the patch they will in fact be overloaded with PC bountys cause we're all going to go straight to teh nearest BH terminal and try to slice it


They already have NPCSmugglers/criminalsto hunt.. thats what thier standard missions are.







Colonel Emitt 'Doc' Brown (Starsider)
Master Smuggler | Master Pistoleer | Commando
Interplanetary Shipping Co. Located Crystal Hollow Dantooine (-6833, 4750)
Vendors Deal in Weapon, Droid, and 'Special Shipments'


/Target SOE; /CLAP

DigiDante
Thu Jun 17, 2004 7:16 pm
#9

Okay, point taken.

Have them be contract killers? ( difference being... )

But my proposal about having the acceptance issue is because contraband is on the concept that EVERYONE (who is caught with contraband) will get some amount of visibility and have the potential chance to be a BH mark.

I believe Jedi should definately be an understandable non-acceptance mark. If you are a jedi, you're taking the risk of being on a terminal and you should be hunted down and killed, according to storyline means anyway.

Having smugglers doing smuggling missions should be the agreeing aspect of being a bounty hunters mark. If you do not want to be a mark... don't do the missions and dont screw up if you do decide to do them.

But I definately believe that those people who do not agree to PvP should have some danger for carrying contraband besides it being storm troopers or cops. They need to be surprised and attacked by a difficult target.



Selusa Secundus - Elder Smuggler - September 2003.
Sheeana Secundus - Respec Jedi - Elder Carbineer @ heart.
Raylonis Del'Rathin - Elder Chef, Dancer - Retired / Canceled July 2005.
Leader of the fallen Guild, Veil of Silence.

Without the past, the future would never happen.
Believes in a better future for SWG.
Everytime a Rollback or Additional server thread is spawned SOE murders a kitten. Please... think of the kittens and stop this erradication.
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