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Thread: In Concept Docs Stolen! Smugglers Seek Reason Why

LTZweigg
Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:25 pm
#1

I don't really expect a response from the Powers That Be, but it never hurts to try.


As many of us have noticed, the In Concept threads regarding the proposed slicing and smuggling missions have vanished from the forums. Now, while this may be the first documented case of a successful smuggling mission ever done in SWG, there's most likely a real reason behind this removal. I for one, and I'm sure most of us here, would love for someone (Tiggs, I'm looking at you) to poke their nose in for a moment and just give us ANY idea on why this has occured.


The removal of the slicing docs makes the most sense, since the changes are coming in the near future and they seem to be different from what was originaly posed in the concept docs. I can see this as a "Well, we were going to do it this way, but in the end we decided to go with this format instead so you don't need these out-of-date docs cluttering up the forums anymore" decision. But, if this is why it was pulled, just please, someone let us know.


As for the smuggling missions doc, it's sudden disappearance is going to make us feel a little uneasy. This would be the perfect time for someone to say something. It's early enough that the conspiracy theories have yet to begin.


A few weeks back, we had a very nice response by some of the folks in the know who came in and helped put some balm on our long-suffering wounds. It made us feel a little less like pariahs and was completed with a great sense of establishing communication between SOE and the player base. It seemed to go over rather well on our end and, provided that no one involved was punished back at HQ, looked rather painless onSOE's side of the fence. Perhaps we could repeat this communication


I don't think we're really looking for a complete breakdown of what may be in store for us in the future (but it'd be nice if we got it), just a statement saying that there is still some plan to continue in this vein in the coming months. Heck, even a response saying that the docs were removed for this or that reason would be nice.


And if we don't get it, we'll just start posting crazy theories here anyway





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justapilgrim
Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:23 pm
#2

hell freezes over and smugglers get love (first with cu, now with slicing) and one person has to whine I guess



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SpinningCloud
Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:42 pm
#3

LTZweigg; "The removal of the slicing docs makes the most sense, since the changes are coming in the near future and they seem to be different from what was originaly posed in the concept docs."


Yeah, different; ie. a whole lot less interesting. Not that I think slicing is interesting after two years of doing it.


And it does make you wonder if the smuggling content is going to be a watered down version of what was In Concept.


Bait and switch?






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SpinningCloud
Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:45 pm
#4

Oh please justapilgrim, this you call "love"?


The CU wasn't for Smugglers, it was for the GCW...we were fallout.


And slicing? Pfft, they broke it they had to fix it with something. Is that something better than we had before? Time will tell but it isn't a WHOLE lot better so far as the reports we're getting.


Smuggler 'love' is SMUGGLING content and we have yet to see that. Now the In Concept doc is gone with nothing to replace it but another "Soon" (TM) post on In Development.


Consider it a whine if you want but it's an accurate one.






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lokidevil
Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:02 am
#5

Who let Skinny in here?


Back to the Valcyn Trade forums for j00!



I think the man reason for our concern (not whine) is that we are quite often shafted by the DEVS and many of us worried that by giving us "love" in bits and peices the DEV's would drag on the final product of what smugglers are meant to be in SWG.


Many of us wanted 1 revamp where everything was addressed as we worried that they would give us the slicing changes (ie whats happened now) and then reneg on the other stuff until a later date. Which the deletion of the Smuggler Mission documents would suggest there doing.





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LTZweigg
Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:15 pm
#6





SpinningCloud wrote:

Smuggler 'love' is SMUGGLING content and we have yet to see that. Now the In Concept doc is gone with nothing to replace it but another "Soon" (TM) post on In Development.





This was exactly the reason that I wrote what I did. It was not whining or complaining that I had in mind, but rather an attempt to keep the momentum going. The removal of the In Concept docs is puzzling and can easily be interpreted as a sinister move by SOE.


I'm glad we have a new slicing system coming. I’d be even more excited if the new slicing system was being implemented because we asked for it, rather than the need to fix the system that has been broken since the CU.


So forgive me if this was seen as whining by one person. But the question still begs to be addressed: Where did the In Concept docs go and why?






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HaughtyElf
Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:21 pm
#7

My guess is so we didn't go, but you said this here but gave us this. Which goes to the fact that the In Concept docs where just that, a concept to which the final product doesn't reflect.




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SpinningCloud
Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:49 pm
#8


Elf; "My guess is so we didn't go, but you said this here but gave us this. Which goes to the fact that the In Concept docs where just that, a concept to which the final product doesn't reflect. "


And hence nothing but a pacifier to keep us quiet while they go about doing exactly what they want with no input from us.





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Ask me a riddle and I reply: "Smuggler, Smuggler, Smuggler Pie."

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HaughtyElf
Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:54 pm
#9

Which is why I'm done with the pacifiers....




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snorbarnet
Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:03 pm
#10






SpinningCloud wrote:

LTZweigg; "The removal of the slicing docs makes the most sense, since the changes are coming in the near future and they seem to be different from what was originaly posed in the concept docs."


Yeah, different; ie. a whole lot less interesting. Not that I think slicing is interesting after two years of doing it.


And it does make you wonder if the smuggling content is going to be a watered down version of what was In Concept.


Bait and switch?








Well, the slicing system turned out moreor less as I expected after the reports from Veela and Fishy about it being scaled down. The end result is still the same but the way there is less exciting (or less annoying). Although I thought the proposed mini-game in the IC document sounded pretty cool I also felt that it would probably get old really fast and those Smugglers who does a lot of slicing would come to hate it. I'm certainly not perfectly satisfied with the current incarnation on TC (not even a new UI? Come on!), but I'm ready to accept it and start focusing on the much more important matter ofSmuggling.


I do share your fear of Smuggling getting watered down though. The stuff in the IC document was nice but by no means revolutionary and I consider that the bare minimum of what we should settle for when it comes to Smuggling. Anything less than that and it will be... bad.



Oh well... anyone want pie?





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Thomen
Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:32 pm
#11

I just looked thru most of the Postings regarding the Fan Fest and Smuggler once more. And i have abaaaaahd feeling about all this. I dont want to sound to pesimistic, but in none of the Postingwere actualy mentioned that we will be able tosmuggle or other relatedStar Warsy smuggler stuff. It sounded more like that all we will getis the Slice stuff, and MAYBE some Quests. Maybe i m wrong, and i ll be happy if someone can hook me up with some Infos boutour smuggling from the FF



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