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Thread: Rebel Faction/Faction Perk Selling Questions (I'm *so* lost)

NickHeel
Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:25 am
#1


Ok, I read up on Dreven's FAQ. Still pretty confused so I was curious if I could get some clarifications on some of the following items, please. I made Colonel tonight so I want to hop into this while I have the motivation I did download the Excel workbook and I think it's going to help a lot.


Buying and Selling Raw Rebel Faction Points


I know that it doesn't matter what planet you're on to buy these. They all cost the same anywhere. Rebels won the Cries of Alderaan story arch on Tarquinas so I get the 10% extra faction.


Problem: I don't konw how much to charge per point for raw factoin point delegation after I lose the 177 pointsper 1,000 points delegated...I can't think of a formula for it.


Ipay 100k credits for 1125 faction points (including CoA bonus). That works out to around 88.89 credits per point. But I don't know how to figure the 1.177 to 1 loss with that.


Does anyone have a formula for that OR how much does it cost on a flat rate after the delegation of faction points with the 1.177:1 ratio?


Preferably, can anyone think of a Excel formual or function for selling raw faction and the cost after the 1.177:1 delegation ratio? This would be very beneficial.


Buying and Selling Rebel Faction Perks


I downloaded the faction perk Excel workbook and if it's accurate, then I'm going to find it very handy. Please look at my problem/question below and tell me if it is an accurate statement or if it needs correcting. If so, please correct me.


Problem: To figure Rebel faction perks, I should click on the "Rebel Surplus" worksheet and plug in the score for the planet I wish to buy the perks from in the yellow"Losing the War?" box.


I should then look at the "Master Smuggler Losing FP" cell to figure out how many faction points it will cost me and then the "Master Smuggler Losing Credit Cost" cell to figure what the equivelant credit cost for those spent faction points is.


This is all assuming I'm on the planet that my side (Rebellion) is losing by the biggest margin so that I can get the best discount.


Profits and Ethics of Selling Faction and Faction Perks


Problem: Slicing is a lot easier to price. It's a simple trade back and forth with an easy action in the middle. Selling faction seems considerably more complex and...well, specialized.


So, what's the typical rate to sell faction? 5cr/FP above cost after delegation? 10cr/FP above cost? Is there a general rule for this? If not, what do you all charge and maybe I'll find a happy average for me out of the numbers.




Thanks for any help yall can provide. I'm pretty well confused on this...I think...I guess that's bad if you're confused if you're confused or not lol. Hope I can get straitened out.


Thanks




THE LEGENDARY CAPTAIN N'JOH SONIK OF ORD MANTELL
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Nicolas_Frost
Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:54 am
#2

The Formula:

Cost Before Delegation + 17% = Base Cost With Delegation. 88.89 x 1.177=104.62353 or 88.89 + 17.7%=104.62353

Dunno about the rest, I just wing it.



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NickHeel
Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:57 am
#3

Damn...and to think I'm in college No wonder I went to Developmental Algebra instead of College Algebra my first semester....damn.


Thanks, Frost 105 credits per faction point with delegation. Cool.




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Nicolas_Frost
Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:15 am
#4

Well, at least I was right on how to do it and what to do it to, even though I had the wrong information given to me.



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EnderUK
Tue Mar 01, 2005 4:48 am
#5

Shouldn't you be paying the recruiter 72.7cr/fp if you won the CoA Acts? 100000cr / (1250+125 fp)

I pay 80cr/fp and I charge 100cr x faction perk cost, and 125cr/fp delegation. Delegation costs me 94.4 cr/fp should cost someone that won the CoA act 85.8cr/fp. (Faction cost x 1.18 delegation at colonel)







Profits and Ethics of Selling Faction and Faction Perks


Problem: Slicing is a lot easier to price. It's a simple trade back and forth with an easy action in the middle. Selling faction seems considerably more complex and...well, specialized.


Can be more complexed. What I did was buy aload of faction items when the price was low. Imperials on my server had no bases on Coronet (This is the time to buy and buy alot of) Then I let the bases settle over the next few days changing the price accordingly. (Faction cost x 100cr) It's settle down to a ration of 1 Imperial : 2 Rebel bases on 1 of the 3 planets so all my prices my vendor is base on that.


So, what's the typical rate to sell faction? 5cr/FP above cost after delegation? 10cr/FP above cost? Is there a general rule for this? If not, what do you all charge and maybe I'll find a happy average for me out of the numbers.


I like the (cost of faction perk x 100cr = sell price) Of course this is round up to 3 significant figures Nice round numbers used that way. I've always charged 125cr/fp, this might be upped in the future but right now I'm happy with it. I make deals here and there depending if they are a regular customer, long time firend, buying a hell of a lot of faction or guild mates.






If you click my Faction clickie in my sig you'll see my setup. Oh and Slicing didn't make 3 million in one day while I was off having fun hunting Jedi with my alt, or while I was AFK at work and sleeping. Faction perks have




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LaughingWolf
Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:08 pm
#6

Nick, the problem lay with your data.

The recruiter option is 100k for 1250, and that is BEFORE the CoA bonus. You see the line about getting the 1250 FPs than another line about getting the bonus.

Since NickHeel clearly said he want to sell Rebel faction and that Rebels won CoA on his server, then this apply:

From Dreven updated guide:

The Rebels won the CoA storyline, so they got the 10% FP bonus. That's where your extra 13 points come from. This is an advantage for Rebels because after the bonus, Rebels only pay around 72 credits per point (10000 / 138). After you factor in a /del ratio (Example 1.18:1 for Colonel), that comes to a "cost" of 85.5 per point.

Unless some number changed, but last time I checked, thoses were still valid. Except that it is 100000 / 1375 instead of 10000 / 138.

As for how much you want to charge, well, that's your call. I do it at cost for very good friends, 100 cr/FP for other friends, PA mates, and city neighbors. 110 cr/fp for the others.

Message Edited by LaughingWolf on 03-01-2005 03:21 AM



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NickHeel
Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:21 pm
#7


Ah...ok...


That makes a bit more sense. I wasn't accounting accurately for the CoA bonus. I think I'm starting to understand...


I'll read through this stuff again when I'm not so tired lol That's probably wheremost of this is coming from heh.


Thanks for the help, Wolf


*Edited because LaughingWolf edited and that made me have to make corrections and stuff*


Message Edited by NickHeel on 03-01-2005 02:25 AM




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LaughingWolf
Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:24 pm
#8

mmmm about this: "For 100k credits, you get 1,000 FP plus 125 from the CoA bonus." you sure about that?

Last news, it was 100k for 1250 FP + the CoA bonus.

I will surely go in game check that. Last time I sold FPs was between 13.0 and 13.1, so if it did changed I lost nothing.

brb hehehe gonna hop in game and check

Message Edited by LaughingWolf on 03-01-2005 03:26 AM



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NickHeel
Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:31 pm
#9






LaughingWolf wrote:
mmmm about this: "For 100k credits, you get 1,000 FP plus 125 from the CoA bonus." you sure about that?

Last news, it was 100k for 1250 FP + the CoA bonus.

I will surely go in game check that. Last time I sold FPs was between 13.0 and 13.1, so I lost nothing.

brb hehehe gonna hop in game and check

Message Edited by LaughingWolf on 03-01-2005 03:25 AM




Hehe...I edited that post because you edited your's and it cleared a lot up Hope I didn't cause any confusion.


But, yeah, that miscalculation on the orginal amount given for the 100k credits would explain a lot. So...


(1250 * .1) + 1250 = 1375and


100,000 / 1375 = 72.72(base FP cost) and


1.177 * 72.72 = 85.6(base FP cost after delegation)


All of that would make perfect sense now





THE LEGENDARY CAPTAIN N'JOH SONIK OF ORD MANTELL
Independent Smuggler N Pilot of the Famous Sonik Rogue N Forever, The Most Legendary and Greatest Smuggler on Tarquinas
LaughingWolf
Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:50 pm
#10

lol I saw you edited after hitting submit, and I was already loading in game, sooo...

Anyway just to be really sure I just bought for 100k of Rebel faction, Rebels won CoA on Chilastra too.

I did got 1250 FP + 125 CoA bonus. So now it all work out.



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