Smuggler Archive
Thread: Advanced DPS related PVP question... damage vs speed
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Nyk8o
Fri Sep 17, 2004 2:48 am
#1
On my best gun... a Dx2...i can chose between a powerup that effects the speed, or the max damage...
The DPS on all relavant PVP skills breaks down like this:
Skill....................................Speed Powerup.....Damage Powerup.........advantage.................................................
Last Ditch..........................1633.......................1446...............................13% in favor of the speed powerup.........
Panic Shot/Low Blow.........544.........................648................................19% in favor of the damage powerup......
HealthShot1........................544.........................648................................19% in favor of the damage powerup......
HealthShot2........................816.........................972................................19% in favor of the damage powerup......
BodyShot3..........................680.........................810................................19% in favor of the damage powerup......
In today's mind incap only world.... do I need sacrifice improving all my other skills for Last Ditch?
also... If I get a health bleed Republic Blaster instead, and stack the pistoleer bleeds... do I have a shot at health incapping any decent PVPer?
Sapperlight
Fri Sep 17, 2004 5:11 am
#2
The pistoleer bleeds don't stack anymore, so I don't think you'll have much success against a buffed opponent there.
Last ditch is great but remember that it hits a random pool. In my experience it tends to hit health more than action, and it seldom seems to hit the mind pool, especially when I want it. For group PvP I think it's terrific; one-on-one, you might need a better strategy.
Nyk8o
Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:28 am
#3
yeah... but I'm no bounty hunter.... I've got smuggler specials and pistoleer specials...
juggle the states (panic/lowblow) and go last ditch crazy?
dorsai78664
Fri Sep 17, 2004 1:26 pm
#4
In my experience, speed made much more of a difference than damage. In my opinion, more than any other combat class, smugglers and pistoleers need to get to the speed cap. With just the speed of pistoleer, you can do pretty well with Fan Shot. Although random HAM, it is a great special.
If you can't fire Last Ditch at the cap, it is better used only when your opponent is on his back or to apply a stun. Because it is 20% more powerful than Fan Shot, the best case would be getting enough speed to fire Last Ditch at the cap and use Fan Shot just for AOE. However, if you can fire Last Ditch at the cap, that would be the special of choice.
I am a big proponent of speed when it comes to pistols. If you have a really really powerful weapon, you can get by without the speed but in my opinion, firing at the cap is key.
Sengis
Fri Sep 17, 2004 2:15 pm
#5
taking my template of smuggler trickshot desperado, i can spam eye shot, last ditch, torso and panic, loblow, making me an effective killing machine in groups, im mobile, quikc and vicious., When i was a triple maste,r i used, last ditch, ecause I had speed cap seas. with the bh line, i have 96 odd speed, and 115 accuracy, the seas, you now need, are the accuracy while moving, cos you need to kite as much as posible, the problem is now, that every melee proff has brwaler lunge, and kd knockdowns, you as you are now denceless without melee dam mitigation a dn they got as good range as you,. thers good dps dscussions ont he pistoleer forums,. utlimately we are not greatin pvp, unless you van get a good 380+ geno with a dot, (muhahaha i have one : and a couple of 420 genos too!) then you can give people a problem, but once they land that dizzy kd, you're out of it. Exuse typing os forth, but its a bottle n a half of Capin Moprganss later!1 As long as they l;et riflemen have more speed, and power than us, ( cos we al know rifels frie quicker than pistols...) We will be an under valued pistol class as ever, gg soe , assh0les.
Eivo
Sat Sep 18, 2004 12:07 am
#6
Master Smuggler and Master Pistoleer is what I am. In my PvP I run.......lol no really I do. Almost any other template out there can stomp my candy arse in the ground multiple times. The only thing I can realy on is my Ranged Damage Mitigation 3 (from pistoleer), Health Shot 2 (from pistoleer), Dodge (from pistoleer),and Low Blow. And I get away if I'm lucky. I state the fact that 3/4ths of the combat advantages I was are from pistoleer is becuase pistoleer only requires pistols 4, while smuggler requires pistols 4 AND unarmed 4. The only thing I see in the smuggler tree that is melee oriented is melee damage mitigation 1. That will do nothing against a TKM or Fencer.
MookeyMonkey
Sat Sep 18, 2004 12:46 am
#7
I would just go all out for Last Ditch. Hitting the health is pretty pointless, especiallyif the target has nov medic.That 1/5 chance to hit the mind is your best bet for PvP. Atleast that's the way I see it.
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