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Thread: Developers response to Languages

RaithStarwind
Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:43 am
#1


I asked about languages at Fan Fest my friends. Since this plays a role toward Smugglers with thier universal language ability I thought I should post it here. This is taken from IGN.






Question: Will languages ever play a more substantial role in the game? Will they become harder to learn or have any real value in the future?


J. Brack talked about how they went over languages many times in continuity meetings and the decision was that being able to communicate with other users was more crucial than the value of making that communication hard to learn but rewarding when learned. There may be content in the future that may require learning of emotes or special languages or key phrases to complete missions or prevent failures. Haden added that when looking at the movies and how Han Solo understood Jabba even though Jabba never spoke a word of Common, it was decided that it was very cool, but the fact remained that they still understood each other and Jabba could have spoken Common just as easily, so it was decided that language should not be a barrier in the game.






Now maybe it's just me, but I think they might be a little confused.I for one dont beleive aliens speak alien languages because they dont feel like communicating with people, And why would they give us universal languages if they just felt languages were there just to add flavor and should be bypassed.


: sighs : Maybe GreenMarine will help us. He's our only hope. ^_^

Message Edited by RaithStarwind on 06-09-2004 11:45 AM



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fishbrains
Wed Jun 09, 2004 9:02 am
#2






RaithStarwind wrote:


I asked about languages at Fan Fest my friends. Since this plays a role toward Smugglers with thier universal language ability I thought I should post it here. This is taken from IGN.






Question: Will languages ever play a more substantial role in the game? Will they become harder to learn or have any real value in the future?


J. Brack talked about how they went over languages many times in continuity meetings and the decision was that being able to communicate with other users was more crucial than the value of making that communication hard to learn but rewarding when learned. There may be content in the future that may require learning of emotes or special languages or key phrases to complete missions or prevent failures. Haden added that when looking at the movies and how Han Solo understood Jabba even though Jabba never spoke a word of Common, it was decided that it was very cool, but the fact remained that they still understood each other and Jabba could have spoken Common just as easily, so it was decided that language should not be a barrier in the game.






Now maybe it's just me, but I think they might be a little confused.I for one dont beleive aliens speak alien languages because they dont feel like communicating with people, And why would they give us universal languages if they just felt languages were there just to add flavor and should be bypassed.


: sighs : Maybe GreenMarine will help us. He's our only hope. ^_^

Message Edited by RaithStarwind on 06-09-2004 11:45 AM





This was something I also asked GM about when I talked to him. Turns out he was the one that but the code in there for our +100 lang comprehention hoping to give us a cool and usefull skill.. He did this the week before they but in the current system of languages. I just wirh they would bloody remove it, it's kind of an insult at this point.



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NickHeel
Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:30 pm
#3

Had comment on this one...had to. So...umm...sorry lol...


To nitpick, the "Common" Human language they're referring to is called "Basic" in Star Wars...but I think text is completely different and resembles Klingon crap from Star Trek (PS...don't kill me Trekies...I dressed up as Data for Halloween when I was in 4th grade)


And as far as Han Solo, Chewie, and Jabba goes.....If I can remember correctly, Han learned Huttese language from his time on Ylesia as a SMUGGLER for the spice manufacturing/pilgrim colonies there. Han also learned Shyyriwook (sp.) from Dewlanna, the Wookiee that raised him aboard the Trader's Luck. There were many people...including...that little kid that said he was Han's nephew or something that couldn't understand Shyyriwook. Save that one wookiee with the speach impediment that actually made it easier for Humans to understand him.


So, it was Han's piloting and smuggling life and the people he run into all over the galaxy that allowed him such language comprehension. I doubt even your Imperial Admiral or leaders of certain fields (professions) hadnear thelanguage comprehension as your average smuggler does, dueto their dependence on needing ships and travelling all over the galaxy to perform their job. I mean, that's just common sense...right?





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Xanamiar
Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:37 pm
#4

Don't forget the fact that a Smuggler is more of a social job... not just your everyday person to drop in. A smuggler is dead if he ever stops learning new tricks to the trade, or new languages... ((btw, Han also understood every word that Greeko said, he understood all the languages, .. it is a trick to the trade))


**btw, the +100 language does add the fact that you can understand head/tail language, that twi'leks use.



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Geevo
Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:56 pm
#5

I don't understand the arguement that language is a barrier ... if everyone can speak basic ... plus 1 or 2 other languages ... there still is always a common ground (or another method such as /tell) to get information across.



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TheWok
Wed Jun 09, 2004 2:32 pm
#6






Xanamiar wrote:

((btw, Han also understood every word that Greeko said, he understood all the languages, .. it is a trick to the trade))





Just FYI, Greedo spoke Huttese--not Rodian.


The way I see it, The whole purpose behind Basic is to have a common language to facilitate trade in the Republic/Empire. Wookiees are unable to speak it, but this is no big deal. At Chargen, everyone should get the choice of one or two language comprehension skills for free, in addition to their racial language skills. Anything above that should come at the cost of skill points. One point per language comprehension or speaking should suffice. And Comprehension should be a pre-requisite for speaking.


This way, anyone who wants to understand Wookiees can do so, but anyone who wants to understand everyone without having them use Basic must spend the skill points. Smugglers would retain the ability to comprehend all languages through Underworld.



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