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Thread: Question from an MBH

Zanex_Tenz
Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:54 pm
#1

Question for you smugglers: How do your ranged specials compare to other Pistol specials? I hear Lowblow and LastDitch are very good specials. Can someone explain them to me? With so many broke specials, you can't really rely on what the description of the specials say.


I'm considering dropping some of my other skills for some of Smuggler. Please help.


Thanks in advance,



aMallick Brandeb
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wCaptain of the Rebellion, Original MBHw
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Zanex_Tenz
Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:40 pm
#2






Karzon_X wrote:





DRWolfe wrote:
I'm really sorry, but yet another BH coming to dabble in our Pistol specials. You people trying to get our profession completely removed?






Well look at it this way... as long as BHs are using it.. someone the devs listen to would actually be upset when they remove our profession.... So, think of it as profession security.. with the latest kick to the nuts from TH on his FF post I think it's our only chance... (no, I'm not appeased by the fact that he actually acknowledged the smuggler's he still gave us the same BS answer we always get, so you shouldn't be happy with it either)



As far as Smuggler pistols...


low blow is alright, but it dosn't hit enough to be counted on... even vs someone with no KD defense it only hits the KD about 50% of the time, and with all the KD food and mods.. if you're into pvping at all with this template.. it's not very effective.. (against people who know how to play)


Panic shot is one of the more effective smuggler specials even since they changed it.. just make sure you make a macro for the hotkey, and not just the specials original button.. like this


/panicshot;


/peace;


if you don't do it like that and you're speed capped you'll knock them out of the delay with the second shot.. and panic is usually the best was to get in a heal or 2 if you have some medic


Last ditch is the most damaging pistol special, but then again, if you aren't speed capped it isn't worth it... if I recall corectly it is 10X not 6X... With my DE-10 I can get around 6-7k damage on a NPC that dosn't have high energy resists... but again.. it's random pools... so if you not lucky with it.. especially against a jedi.. (I assume you're hunting them since you are a BH) you'd be better off with torso shot, or even healthshot2... because those target a pool, and the health bleeds and burns that they have will keep ticking even when the jedu is blocking anywheres between 65-85% of your shots..


My Main is a smuggler, and I love the dirty fighting branch, but when it comes to my BH alt, I don't even bother with it.. it's not worth the extra skill points... there are no weapons mods.. FD dosn't work in pvp or pve really... you're better to pick up some more pistoleer... and some medic...


But, that's just one smuggler's opinion.








Thanks for the information. I understand how some of you don't like dabblers, but consider this... There are probably far more 3000 BH dabblers then there are Smugglers period. So I can sympathyze with your point, however; I don't see how a Bounty Hunter picking up some more pistol skills in your profession can hurt it.




aMallick Brandeb
dSoldier of [Alliance Shield]d
wCaptain of the Rebellion, Original MBHw
vCurrently scouting the Outer Rim in service of the Rebellion.v

DRWolfe
Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:59 pm
#3



Zanex_Tenz wrote:


Karzon_X wrote:


DRWolfe wrote:
I'm really sorry, but yet another BH coming to dabble in our Pistol specials. You people trying to get our profession completely removed?


Well look at it this way... as long as BHs are using it.. someone the devs listen to would actually be upset when they remove our profession.... So, think of it as profession security.. with the latest kick to the nuts from TH on his FF post I think it's our only chance... (no, I'm not appeased by the fact that he actually acknowledged the smuggler's he still gave us the same BS answer we always get, so you shouldn't be happy with it either)

As far as Smuggler pistols...

low blow is alright, but it dosn't hit enough to be counted on... even vs someone with no KD defense it only hits the KD about 50% of the time, and with all the KD food and mods.. if you're into pvping at all with this template.. it's not very effective.. (against people who know how to play)

Panic shot is one of the more effective smuggler specials even since they changed it.. just make sure you make a macro for the hotkey, and not just the specials original button.. like this

/panicshot;

/peace;

if you don't do it like that and you're speed capped you'll knock them out of the delay with the second shot.. and panic is usually the best was to get in a heal or 2 if you have some medic

Last ditch is the most damaging pistol special, but then again, if you aren't speed capped it isn't worth it... if I recall corectly it is 10X not 6X... With my DE-10 I can get around 6-7k damage on a NPC that dosn't have high energy resists... but again.. it's random pools... so if you not lucky with it.. especially against a jedi.. (I assume you're hunting them since you are a BH) you'd be better off with torso shot, or even healthshot2... because those target a pool, and the health bleeds and burns that they have will keep ticking even when the jedu is blocking anywheres between 65-85% of your shots..

My Main is a smuggler, and I love the dirty fighting branch, but when it comes to my BH alt, I don't even bother with it.. it's not worth the extra skill points... there are no weapons mods.. FD dosn't work in pvp or pve really... you're better to pick up some more pistoleer... and some medic...

But, that's just one smuggler's opinion.




Thanks for the information. I understand how some of you don't like dabblers, but consider this... There are probably far more 3000 BH dabblers then there are Smugglers period. So I can sympathyze with your point, however; I don't see how a Bounty Hunter picking up some more pistol skills in your profession can hurt it.




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cpz
Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:05 pm
#4






DRWolfe wrote:
"I don't see how a Bounty Hunter or a Jedi picking up Feign Death in your profession can hurt it..."




qfe





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Zanex_Tenz
Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:09 pm
#5






cpz wrote:





DRWolfe wrote:
"I don't see how a Bounty Hunter or a Jedi picking up Feign Death in your profession can hurt it..."




qfe








Oh ok... I guess you're ONLY a Smuggler huh? No dabbling in other professions?


Come on.



aMallick Brandeb
dSoldier of [Alliance Shield]d
wCaptain of the Rebellion, Original MBHw
vCurrently scouting the Outer Rim in service of the Rebellion.v

cpz
Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:25 pm
#6






Zanex_Tenz wrote:



Oh ok... I guess you're ONLY a Smuggler huh? No dabbling in other professions?


Come on.





Don't read too much into our cynicism...I just thought the reference to FD was very apt and a beautifully subtle dig



And, to answer your point, I'm a Master Smuggler, Master Pistoleer and TKM, so no, no dabbling for me. I guess you could call me pure.





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Zanex_Tenz
Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:30 pm
#7






cpz wrote:





Zanex_Tenz wrote:



Oh ok... I guess you're ONLY a Smuggler huh? No dabbling in other professions?


Come on.





Don't read too much into our cynicism...I just thought the reference to FD was very apt and a beautifully subtle dig



And, to answer your point, I'm a Master Smuggler, Master Pistoleer and TKM, so no, no dabbling for me. I guess you could call me pure.






Well, I'm a MBH an Master Pistoleer, and if I had the skill points Master Carbineer. However, when you have 18 points left, dabble you must.




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wCaptain of the Rebellion, Original MBHw
vCurrently scouting the Outer Rim in service of the Rebellion.v

SpinningCloud
Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:38 pm
#8

I have to agree with Wolfe, but then I suspect the dabbling is going to get mangled in the CU.


Personally I wouldn't take up anything until we see what the CU is going to do.




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Karzon_X
Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:42 pm
#9






Zanex_Tenz wrote:





cpz wrote:





DRWolfe wrote:
"I don't see how a Bounty Hunter or a Jedi picking up Feign Death in your profession can hurt it..."




qfe








Oh ok... I guess you're ONLY a Smuggler huh? No dabbling in other professions?


Come on.






I think most smugglers can agree that FD with certain templates is... unbalanced.. not a bug like the devs said... because they are perpetually full of *hit..

But with a profession that is as lacking in combat prowess as smuggler... it was a useful skill... I also have the triple master... and well, I feel a little jypt that I have to use pistol xp to fill five brances, and I'm still not capped on my mods.. no speed cap for me... yeah, my own fault for not picking up the pistol tree in BH..

But, when a profession like jedi or BH dabbles with a skill that they use just for griefing... then it just irks most of us here... a jedi can hold their own in a fight, even at their low levels... and to be honest, I think they should be stuck with only jedi skills (note: I'm biased anyways... I'm one of the ones thinking jedi shouldn't even be in swg)

Bounty hunters are supposed to be ablr to handle themselves in combat, and using FD just to avoid losing the mission is crap.....

I think about half of the people who post on this forum have said something to the same effect on this issue... and well... jedi and the BHs got their way.. smugglers lost a skill because of people abusing its short commings... those people aren't dabblers.. they are the griefers and whinners...


Forgive me if I seem bitter, but after all of the crap I have seen come spewwing from the devs on issues like this I have become a little cynical about them and the players in this game in general... makes you wish George would swoop in and lay waste to the SOE dev team.....




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cpz
Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:49 pm
#10






Zanex_Tenz wrote:





cpz wrote:





Zanex_Tenz wrote:



Oh ok... I guess you're ONLY a Smuggler huh? No dabbling in other professions?


Come on.





Don't read too much into our cynicism...I just thought the reference to FD was very apt and a beautifully subtle dig



And, to answer your point, I'm a Master Smuggler, Master Pistoleer and TKM, so no, no dabbling for me. I guess you could call me pure.






Well, I'm a MBH an Master Pistoleer, and if I had the skill points Master Carbineer. However, when you have 18 points left, dabble you must.





Believe me, if I could find the sp to get BH 3-2- I would.




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NickHeel
Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:01 pm
#11

Mallick! How dare you come here to ask these bums about Smuggler stuff!


You know I'm the best Smuggler on our Galaxy..all you have to do is come ask me




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SpinningCloud
Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:06 pm
#12

I'm Master Smuggler and Master Pistoleer...only thing I 'dabble' in is Scout but then I have to put the remainder of the points somewhere.


Seriously though the other professions dabbling has screwed us a few times with our pistol skills. We have a pretty well stripped-out profession.




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maxtheusher
Sat Mar 05, 2005 1:06 am
#13

Last Ditch = GREAT.... if you've got enough speed mods to back it up.

LowBlow = awesome ranged pistol KD... when it hits.

Panic shot or whatever that is works like warcry but fails miserably because the next auto shot cancels it...

As a BH, if you grab the pistoleer speed tree, or M pistoleer, Last ditch is a fantasmatastic special for pure damage sake



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