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please Read my post :
id appreciate the smugglers point of view

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=communityrelations&message.id=11227

clicky if you can

Ok, apparently my HTML sk11lz are teh sux0rrz, I was trying to make a link to the OP's addy and every time I preview the post, the link works, as soon as i "Submit Post" it gets blown out and only the text shows up. Here is the language i keep trying to post, can someone tell me what i'm doing wrong?


Clicky
Ahh, Thanks!

Message Edited by justMaveric on 08-21-2005 06:39 AM

Functional Clicky

I take it back. I'm not making a clicky for that crap. If you don't like the game, stop playing it. Forget the stupid, high-school, I wanna use big words legal BS. You have no standing to take any legal action against Sony because you don't like their game.

and take "smuggler" out of the title. Don't insult the whole profession with your stupidity.

Message Edited by dlc3007 on 08-20-2005 08:39 AM

Message Edited by dlc3007 on 08-20-2005 08:42 AM

You took that info from a british government website, yes? So how can you apply british law to an american company?

Message Edited by Obono on 08-20-2005 02:26 PM

It is traded internationally, they have to abide by the standards of the country they sell in. If it is sold in US, us law, UK, etc. That is why Microsoft is being sued seperately by UK, US, Soviet Block, etc.

And he does have legal standing if he played pre-CU. Now the game is not what he purchased. Like I said to his post, great topic for the dinner party, and a what if. Realistically no lawyer will ever touch it and SOE is safe enough in the fact that individual awards will never be enough to hurt it.

Message Edited by Unika on 08-20-2005 07:49 AM

Clicky

Ya just lacked quotes around the URL.

Ever bother reading the EUL that you agreed to every time you logged in?

Nah... didn't think so.

EULA's are not binding according to some consumer protection laws as they do not let you use the product to determin if the product is faulty or misrepresented before you agree. Also the EULA was broken by SOE when they changed the fundamental structure of the game. Before you smart off take some classes. As for enforceability... well the issue there stems from lack of interest (profit) for the legal professionals. Noone will take a case on this in the US, but some consumer agencies will enforce the countries loaws which supercede contract terms if they conflict.

Translation : If the EULA tries to limit liability from breaking Federal Law then Federal Law is considered the greater power.

Again though, nice to know the law, and your rights, but also good to know a losing battle because people will only fight for you if their pockets expect a gain. Good dinner table or class discussion... bad business to pursue a case.

But if you had read it there is a part where they promise to maintain the game to a resonable level. However if I try and play from the info in my instruction manual.. somehow it doesn't work.

Message Edited by Unika on 08-20-2005 08:45 PM

BTW... I am a SWG player.. not a typist

If anyone actually bothered to read the Software License and Limited Warranty in the back of the manual that comes with the game it clearly states the following:

1) "The computer program, artwork, music, printed materials (if any are provided), on'line or electronic documentation, and other componants that may be included with this product and all copies of such as may be MODIFIED OR UPDATED (collectively referred to as the "software"), are the copywrited property of LucasArts... The Software is non-exclusively licensed (not sold) to you and LucasArts owns and/or controls all copywrite, trade secret, patent and other propriety rights to the software.

2)(sorry for the following capslock, but i am trying to be true to the origianal document) LUCASARTS EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESSED AND IMPLIED, iNCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF ........THAT THE OPERATION OF THE SOFTWARE WILL BE INTERRUPTED OR ERROR-FREE, OR THAT DEFECTS IN THE SOFTWARE WILL BE CORRECTED.

i also wonder if people realize that cancelling their account does not free them from the EULA and TOS agreement...it clearly states that you agree to this until"disposingif the Software and erasing any components residing on computer equipment."

You may now contuinue on to more and (I am sure) more worthwhile items of note in the Smuggler Forums.

Message Edited by TheGliphster on 08-21-2005 09:13 AM

Message Edited by TheGliphster on 08-21-2005 09:14 AM

Actually that statement bears no legal claim, as it violates federal and several state laws. Every company puts it on their products. If you look in a Ford motors manual eventually you will come across a similar statement in the warranty page. Does it apply? Answer is no, they have to warranty their product to a point. What it does do is limit their liability to actual damages. Meaning if you sued you would get the money for the $50 you spent and maybe some of the monthly fees. Not emotional stress or any of that garbage added in.

Another thing that Walmart music is running into, who owns the software? Well if I pay for a song and download it I have right to use of that song for my person and my immediate family. What happens after that? Well according to them I have to repurchase the music or update the license every so often. According to my cd's I do not. When it was brought up by the FTC... well now they have a problem. They can not make you repurchase an item you paid for if you retain the item. Meaning you lost it you buy another, if they deny you use you own that copy, they ned to let you use it.

Of course another thing is the Winter haven thing going on with SOE right now. It was an emulated pre-luclin server for EQ that was run privately from donations for no profit. SOE shut it down even though EQ is waning. The person operating the site actually had better customer service than SOE, and had a bunch of new dynamic quests installed. It was better than the expansion for content EQ ran by SOE. Instead of using his ideas however they just shut it down and got a new expansion out of it.

His lawyer said he had a legal claim and could fight it in court, but then told him the price tag... That is where things died.

Again SOE is perfectly safe behind their EULA because noone will fight them for lack of profit. Their liability is limited to the point that they would only have to pay half of actual damages . It really is not worth the trouble. Great party discussion and what if for a class, not the courtroom.

Message Edited by Unika on 08-21-2005 08:10 AM