Smuggler Archive

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Saarek wrote:

Ack:

Then theres the age old argument about somoeone not wanting their Char that they "worked so hard on" to die.

I know other games do this - and SWG once did, but it was scrapped for a reason - the wrong reasons i believe - but that issue will come up again - I guarantee.

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Doubt it. They had the 3 deaths and back to basic padawan for Jedi in this game before. It didn't last very long.

Jedi in this game have been nothing but a string of mistakes from the beginning. Mistake #1. Allowing player Jedi in the first place in this part of the Star Wars canon. #2 saying there is a great mysterious system for unlocking your FS slot when in reality it was just 5 random professions. #3 Telling us the method to unlocking, and giving us the ability to find out 4 of the 5 (and then upping the requirement behind the scenes.) Those three mistakes (or decisions if you don't want to be harsh on the Devs) have influenced SWG more than any other aspect or decisionof the game.

Point is, given that 1) Jedi are dominating the GCW at the moment and 2) every Jedi has an alt character, Jedi should be barred from factional special forces conflict. The players can use their alts to participate in the Special ForcesGCW, and the rest of us can participate in the Special Forces GCW without having the glow sticks getting in the way. The glow stick wavers should still be ablepartcipate in the PvE aspect of the GCW.

Just my opinion.

I totally agreed with the GCW coor. about the "4th tier" idea. I simply can't understand why some folks, 90% appeared to be Jedi, hate it so much. They cry that it will totally remove them from theGCW, which is totally untrue.

If folks want to fight Jedi they would join the "Elite" tier and fight them and there friends. Those of us who want to fight other "normals" purely would join the SF tier. Whats not hard to grasp?

Instead they want to keep it with the way it is, then go back to the forumswhining about how there is no PVP and nobody wants to fight them.

So why fight the 4th tier....those that fight you now, will fight you in the "Elite" tier. The only ones you lose are the ones trying to PVP without you.

Those lightsabres must fry brain cells or something.

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GanymedePharuu wrote:

the only Jedi/Force Sensative characters that should be allowed anywhere NEAR an Imperial facility or city are the Emporer's Hand. i'm not 100% about how many there were of them, or if it was just that one girl (Mara Jade was her name?).

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I'm an Emperor's Hand™ too. DV (as only I am allowed to call him) is my boy, we go out pwning rebels while Mr. Palpatine cheers us on and does the political clean-ups for the messeswe routinely create. Thus far, DV only force choked me once when I suggested we rename the Galactic Empire to Galactic Pimps Incorporated. I'm not sure why, he's pretty pimp with that cape, but to each his own.

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Taln2 wrote:

As Veela pointed out in her E3 post, permadeath, frankly, isn't an option anymore... and after a little insight,I think I understand why and furthermore want to choke the idiots responsible for the original Jedi system in the first place.

My guess is that it's becausethe link between the main character and the FSCS (force sensitive character slot) isumbilical in nature, and they can't exist independantly of each other. Thus if one character dies,it takesits' corresponding FSCS with it. If that's true, there couldn't possibly be a better example of slipshod design.

Not that it couldn't be fixed, but you're talking a very messy (and risky) operation.

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• Permadeath after CL 80 only


• BH can create xp debts for cl lower then 80


• should be cloned deaths not in the field and rezzed deaths (rezs should count but at 1/5-1/10th as much)


• must be a fair large number (I originally said 5.. but 50 is probably better)


• Jedi status should be given out lottery style with limited slots - someone has to die out before another can be added


• Jedi council/FRS has to change


• the devs can control the number of jedi in the system by allowing more or less Jedi to lottery up


• lottery would balance new never beforejedi >previous returning jedi say 70:30


• current Jedi would start with zero deaths and count up from there. As they die out no new jedi would be unlocked until they are at the level selected by the devs.


• you would still need to do the village


• xp requirements would be lowered to that of normal combat professions


• if you have previously been a cl 80 jedi your xp grant while you progress would double, and if you have been 2 or more times your xp grant would triple (like piloting skills)


• they would retain their 1.5 -3x power over regular toons.

this way would allow a limited number of jedi at a time in combat but also would allow everyone to play a jedi over time and still allow those who have been a jedi before

Hmm. Wasn't sure about the FSCS, so thanks for filling me in. So as for me, it's back to being baffled as to why exactly permadeath can't be reimplmented.

Found Veela's post here: http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=smuggler&message.id=178619#M178619

I guess we're gonna have to bait her into spilling it, hehe. Prepare an interrogation droid!!

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Bigwheeler wrote:

Hey if anything remove the "dark" jedi from the GCW because there were only 2. That leaves only light jedi which would be a plus on my server. Ok ok not a perfect solution but maybe arguably the right one.

No but I agree something needs to be done with jedi in the GCW, over the weekend some guildmates and I wanted to do some pvping and the only place on my server to do that is in Theed. Well lets just say it wasn't much fun because all that we got to do was die at the hands of oooo say about 6-8 Dark Jedi Knights. So it was short lived.

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Star wars facts....

Dark Jedi are still jedi , just like luke, obi-wan or any of them. In fact mace windu was a dark jedi. The only difference is that some jedi use there power from the side to fight , and some channel a more dark energy. Sith is completly different, a sith is not a jedi. The idea of dark=imperial , and light=rebel is started by us in the game. In fact ALL jedi are jedi period, dark or light and sith are sith no matter what....

Makes a geeky noise and clicks submit post.

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djlowballer wrote:
Mace windu was a dark jedi indeed.... hehe

The problem with permadeath and stuff for regular chars is that we do not have alts. If we die we go back to square one and are newbs again. A jedi dies and can fall back on their alt to get their main back on its feet.

Lets just be serious *holds up 20$* sell me my 2nd slot.

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djlowballer wrote:
Mace windu was a dark jedi indeed.... hehe

The problem with permadeath and stuff for regular chars is that we do not have alts. If we die we go back to square one and are newbs again. A jedi dies and can fall back on their alt to get their main back on its feet.

Lets just be serious *holds up 20$* sell me my 2nd slot.

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Permadeath was tried in the old days, and was removed. In the olden days, your main unlocked your Force Senstive slot. The only thing you could do with that slot was create a Padawan. If you died 3 times, you had to start over at Paddy. Eventually, permadeath went away. Then the Force Sensitive thing happened to your main character, and your alt you could do whatever you wanted with.

Permadeath will never come back for Jedi. It would result in too many account cancellations. Why do you think the Jedi characters are catered to so much as it is right now?

What I want to know, is why are there bounties on Jedi right now? Is the Empire placing them? If so, why does the Empire allow Jedi to join the Empire if they are going to place bounties on the Jedi who are going to gain visibility by fighting for the Empire?

I dunno. I think we seriously need some Jedi Purging. Or they need to seriously up the involvement of players in PvP. Because this is sort of the end consequence of having a Jedi Elder Game. The longer the game exists, the more there are. And there are a lot already.

Jedi do not need to have their own GCW. That's silly. What NEEDS to happen is to make them a minority again. PvP and the GCW should be the inevitable consequence of pursuing the most powerful profession in the game.