Smuggler Archive
Thread: A humble question to our trigger happy mods
Tiggs wrote:
I think you misunderstood my statement. The moderators jobs are solely to moderate the forums. When a post is alerted the read the thread before and after the post was made so they have a better idea of what is going on in that discussion. Then a determination is made to either lock the thread or move the offending posts. Many times when a offending post is removed many constructive posts are moved also due to players blindly hitting reply.
You know Tiggs, this is quite lovely. I haven´t got an explanation yet why my original thread has been deleted and yet some moderator has started to delete posts in this very thread again. Yes, there was a minor argument betweentwo Smugglers in here, but we had that already sorted out before some Mod went E-Rambo again. This is exactly why tempers are flaring. Your modearators have absolutely no clue when to act and when action is uncalled for.Its thoughtless action like this that makes people think that someone at SOE is intending to set them off. RememberTH´s tuesday tip? That was another fine example of acting without thinking.And yet here we go again. Great job.
Tiggs wrote:
DKShadow wrote:
Tiggs wrote:
We have around 150 forums that four moderators attend to (2 during the day and 2 at night). They very rarely have the time to go looking for posts with the amount of post reports they receive.
Ok normally I don't get involved in Forum politics, nor do I like to feed the trolls, I have NOT seen the thread in question, however I AM prompted to ask this question:
You have "moderators" of these forums that arbitrarily delete posts because of "reports" from normal users, in most cases without ever reading the post in question?
SO let's say there is this guy "Mike" last night he beat me in pvp, I am still quite sore about this, today "Mike" post in the Chef forum about Tatooine Berry Fruit Spawn rates. I hate "Mikes" guts for beating me, so I decided to get my revenge, I report his post to the moderator, in my report I claim that Mike is being subversive, using foul language and has a general overall Anti-Dev sentiment. So the moderator is thinking "oh great only 40 more of these and I can go to bed" so He sees mine, and deletes "Mikes" post without ever reading it. Since this was effective, EVERYTIME "Mike" posts something, regardless of the topic, I report it and it gets deleted, caught in the massive heap of other posts the mod has to delete?
That is not good business, and I am not a big complainer (less than 30 posts in over 2 years, and most of those are beta posts), I am just curious as to this business practice.
What it sounds like is you need more moderators for these forums, I of course volunteer my services, as for having been in the game every day for 2 years and not quitting and logging thousands of minutes on the forums (as a reader, not a poster). I would be happy to donate some of my free time to actually READ disputed posts and act accordingly, not delete posts because the more posts I delete the more work it looks like I am doing. You know my email, look me up if you want some real help.
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I think you misunderstood my statement. The moderators jobs are solely to moderate the forums. When a post is alerted the read the thread before and after the post was made so they have a better idea of what is going on in that discussion. Then a determination is made to either lock the thread or move the offending posts. Many times when a offending post is removed many constructive posts are moved also due to players blindly hitting reply.
begging pardon Tiggs but could we please get some real answers to our IC stuff rather than answers to stuff like this.
I think you misunderstood my statement. The moderators jobs are solely to moderate the forums. When a post is alerted the read the thread before and after the post was made so they have a better idea of what is going on in that discussion. Then a determination is made to either lock the thread or move the offending posts. Many times when a offending post is removed many constructive posts are moved also due to players blindly hitting reply.
Ahh, so, we're "blindly" responding. Wow, didn't know we were so impaired. Also, can't you delete individual posts? You were doing so in this thread if I recall, so why not elsewhere.
Answer: Because that won'tget rid of constructive posts pointing out our failure.We need an excuse, sothis one is as good as any.
Now, I realize wearen't going to get any answers from you. You are a master of political acrobatics. You straddle fences, juggle books, and change horses in mid-stream without rocking the boat. You have no accountability and answer nothing. Amazingly, even after the forum riot yesterday, you DID nothing. No agknowledgement of the problems this latest patch has created, nothing.
Everyone, I think we should leave Tiggs to her\his\itfantasyland.
Tiggs wrote:
Many times when a offending post is removed many constructive posts are moved also due to players blindly hitting reply.
To explain this consider the following situations:
Thread A. 4 posts. all replies to original post.
First post is a flame attack and is reported. In deleting the first post the whole thread is deleted even if the three replies are all fair comments.
Thread B: 4 posts.
post 1 is a well worded suggestion on some game topic or other. post 2 is a flame of the poster for no reason. post 3 is a reply to post 2 but is a flame of them. post 4 is a comment on the original and is well worded BUT is a reply to post 3 as the poster simply hit reply on the last post but wanted to comment on the original suggestion not the flames.
The thread is reported and the mod chooses to delete post 2. In doing so lithium will delete 3 and 4 and there is nothing the mod can do to save that post - it's how lithium works.
Thread C: 4 posts
same posts as in thread B BUT post 4 is a reply to the opening post.
The thread is reported and the mod deletes post 2. Post 2 and 3 are deleted by lithium but post 4 is left as it has nothing to do with the flames.
If you want to be safe with your posts reply to the original poster and only if the whole thread is a loss will your post be deleted. If you blindly hit reply on the last post in the thread after reading it all you could find your post is lost. It would be nice if lithium could code it differently, but would take more mod time and they'd be more likely to delete a whole thread rather than try to weed out the flames.
PersianLegionary654 wrote:
I think you misunderstood my statement. The moderators jobs are solely to moderate the forums. When a post is alerted the read the thread before and after the post was made so they have a better idea of what is going on in that discussion. Then a determination is made to either lock the thread or move the offending posts. Many times when a offending post is removed many constructive posts are moved also due to players blindly hitting reply.
Ahh, so, we're "blindly" responding. Wow, didn't know we were so impaired. Also, can't you delete individual posts? You were doing so in this thread if I recall, so why not elsewhere.
Answer: Because that won'tget rid of constructive posts pointing out our failure.We need an excuse, sothis one is as good as any.
Now, I realize wearen't going to get any answers from you. You are a master of political acrobatics. You straddle fences, juggle books, and change horses in mid-stream without rocking the boat. You have no accountability and answer nothing. Amazingly, even after the forum riot yesterday, you DID nothing. No agknowledgement of the problems this latest patch has created, nothing.
Everyone, I think we should leave Tiggs to her\his\itfantasyland.
perfect example of reading and not understanding. What she was saying is that when you reply to a post in a thread it is tied to the post you replied to. Therefore if that post get's deleated the posts tied to that particular post (not the thread) get deleated. For example if for some reason your post gets deleated, say a mod didn't like the way you said what you said (all theoritical) my post would also get deleated, because it is tied in with your post., anyone that replies to my post in particular would also get removed, because mine was tied with yours and so on and so on.
Does that make any more sence?
Tiggs wrote:
SmugglinZane wrote:
Tiggs wrote:
Hello,
The moderators receive reports from players who think threads/posts are inappropriate for our forums and hit the report to moderator button. It is then the moderators job to review the thread and posts within it to see if it is within our guidelines. If the post is not within the guidelines it is removed. If the main post is within the guidelines however there are posts afterwards that aren't they will be removed.
When a post is removed all posts replying to it are also removed. This is where our players should be careful with what they are replying to.
I have not seen your post however I will ask the moderators tomorrow what happened.
I find this statement hard to believe. This means we either have a bunch of stealth reporters, people who are reporting without saying anything, or the mods actually do delete things that aren't necessarily reported.
Considering the penchant for certain types of posts getting deleted in this forum, especially the ones that are critical of the devs without flaming, then I take this as a bold faced lie. Well maybe not a lie, but definitely a half truth.
We know they delete without a report Tiggs. So just come clean about it.
We have around 150 forums that four moderators attend to (2 during the day and 2 at night). They very rarely have the time to go looking for posts with the amount of post reports they receive.
Wow. It amazes me that this thread is getting so much attention. Especially when the origional post (the one that was deleted) was so obviously an attempt to bring a litle peace to this board. I can't even imagine a reason forit to be deleted.It also amazes me that of all the threads in the smuggler forum, THIS is the one a red-name bothers to respond to. Huh.
You guys do realize this is the reason everyone in these forums is so upset, right? We get a response to this, but not to ANY of the very constructive posts that happen on this forum and actually deal with the game.
Huh.
That leaves you here on these forums, defending the only thing you have left that's defendable. And that's your right to delete posts and threads. Well congratulations. You found something solid to stand on.
Tiggs wrote:
Hello,
The moderators receive reports from players who think threads/posts are inappropriate for our forums and hit the report to moderator button. It is then the moderators job to review the thread and posts within it to see if it is within our guidelines. If the post is not within the guidelines it is removed. If the main post is within the guidelines however there are posts afterwards that aren't they will be removed.
When a post is removed all posts replying to it are also removed. This is where our players should be careful with what they are replying to.
I have not seen your post however I will ask the moderators tomorrow what happened.
Hello Tiggs,
guess what, I am still waiting for a reason. Now I understand you are probably a very busy person, but recent posts in the shadowfire and Bloodfin galaxy forums made me wonder aboutyour priorities. Anyway, I am not willing to let this matter die without an explanation.
Aendracon- wrote:
Tiggs wrote:
Hello,
The moderators receive reports from players who think threads/posts are inappropriate for our forums and hit the report to moderator button. It is then the moderators job to review the thread and posts within it to see if it is within our guidelines. If the post is not within the guidelines it is removed. If the main post is within the guidelines however there are posts afterwards that aren't they will be removed.
When a post is removed all posts replying to it are also removed. This is where our players should be careful with what they are replying to.
I have not seen your post however I will ask the moderators tomorrow what happened.
Hello Tiggs,
guess what, I am still waiting for a reason. Now I understand you are probably a very busy person, but recent posts in the shadowfire and Bloodfin galaxy forums made me wonder aboutyour priorities. Anyway, I am not willing to let this matter die without an explanation.
More like certainly, yeah. Nevertheless, should I let it go? Would you? Its always the same: she says she will get back to us and never ever does. This isn´t really about a deleted thread, its about the way we are being treated here. The mods obviously made a mistake. Granted, we all are known to make some at times. But whatreally disappoints me is that they arerefuse toadmit it. SOE doesn´t make mistakes. Period.
Aendracon- wrote:
More like certainly, yeah. Nevertheless, should I let it go? Would you? Its always the same: she says she will get back to us and never ever does. This isn´t really about a deleted thread, its about the way we are being treated here. The mods obviously made a mistake. Granted, we all are known to make some at times. But whatreally disappoints me is that they arerefuse toadmit it. SOE doesn´t make mistakes. Period.