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Thread: Filed ticket about being attacked after feigning
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Smuggler_Caylin
Wed Jan 05, 2005 4:45 pm
#28
Awesome. If you get another response like that, which supports griefing of players, feed the info and evidence to me and I'll see what I can do.
One of the Four Horsemen of the Smuggler Apocalypse!
ana-mo-cara
Wed Jan 05, 2005 8:41 pm
#29
In general the CSRs have a tough job. The game is full of things that are so abuseable. I have seen enough FD taunters out there to know alot of people bring it on themselves. /tell hahahaha you cant kill me I just made you waste alot of time for nothing. What you going to do about that. Thats why you should remember to screen the actual tortureing. With the extended chat box in total view. That way you have evidence you were not useing it to grief other players. If you are useing it just to be a jerk, and to tick another player off the CSR will be far less then sympathetic.
Is black barring a real issue though. If someone were to jump me on my smuggler, and couldnt stand that I FD on them and started to blackbar. I would just stand up and take the DB, or atleast ask to store clone data. If the player is accomodateing I will gladly pay the pitance of faction points.
FD works fine. Its the bhs and jedis that are broken. A BH FD and JEDI FD is a totally backwards concept. Neither of these professions should be resorting to this.
gomi321
Wed Jan 05, 2005 9:28 pm
#30
ana-mo-cara wrote:
In general the CSRs have a tough job. The game is full of things that are so abuseable. I have seen enough FD taunters out there to know alot of people bring it on themselves. /tell hahahaha you cant kill me I just made you waste alot of time for nothing. What you going to do about that. Thats why you should remember to screen the actual tortureing. With the extended chat box in total view. That way you have evidence you were not useing it to grief other players. If you are useing it just to be a jerk, and to tick another player off the CSR will be far less then sympathetic.
Is black barring a real issue though. If someone were to jump me on my smuggler, and couldnt stand that I FD on them and started to blackbar. I would just stand up and take the DB, or atleast ask to store clone data. If the player is accomodateing I will gladly pay the pitance of faction points.
FD works fine. Its the bhs and jedis that are broken. A BH FD and JEDI FD is a totally backwards concept. Neither of these professions should be resorting to this.
We are talking about me, a smuggler. Not a BH, not a Jedi. I am a Master Smuggler and have been one since 2 months after launch. I worked hard to reach this status. I did it before uber weapons, buffs, comp armor, or food. I use FD when I am attacked because I can. It is one of the few abilities I have that somewhat works. I was not PVP'ing, I had just finished selling faction and was unbuffed. If I was in a PVP fight and prepared I would have taken my death and laughed about it.I was attackedbut luckily Ihad my FD macro runningand I was continously attacked by 3 people with the express purpose of blackbarring me because I feigned. This is just as bad as clone/corpse camping. Once they started and told me what they were going to do I was not going to get up. I refused to give them the satisfaction. Also I never sent them tells saying "I win" or "Nyah Nyah Nyah".
Why shouldn't I use FD? I don't think it's an "I win" button. How did I win? Because I didn't lose the 20-something faction points? Because I had to go visit an entertainer while I meditated the wounds off?
ana-mo-cara
Wed Jan 05, 2005 9:47 pm
#31
ONE I am not being critical of you useing the FD its your skill you paid for it you should be able to use it.
TWO I was pointing out that you should get a screenshot lest the other player that tortured you says that you did something to bring it on yourself. Like well first he his me with a disease and then FD then laughed at me. In general unless you have proof the csr only has he says she says. So you should atleast make the effort of haveing a verification on your side. Not only a screen of the act but the dialogue.
THREE My last point was is it really worth it to let a few jerks play ragdoll with you for half an hour. At this point you have decided to be just as much a pain as they are. Your getting agitated they are getting agitated. Both sides are wasteing game time better spent on something else. Your still blackbarred they are still without FP.
Anyone know if the /report command is still around. EXP /report meanguy. So that a csr might come to investigate and come to your aid.
Also the point still stands we are takeing the heat for what the jedis, and bhs are doing with the smuggler FD. These parties are useing this move as an I WIN button to deny the other half satisfaction, and to goad them. So alot of other players are takeing out their frustration over this by blackbarring real smugglers. Yes a jedi does win when they deny a bounty hunter the kill. They do not have to pay the xp loss, and bhs who do it get to attack jedi with no risk.
ana-mo-cara
Thu Jan 06, 2005 1:49 am
#32
I cannot beleive I am going to say this but I have to agree with the csr in the posters message. Its gotten a little tired people backing out of pvp by playing dead. Anytime they see someone comeing. It aint the smugglers doing this nonsense. Its jedi and bhs. The black barring atleast removes the one hundred percent victory from this abuse. If your too good to take the chance and fight. Either risk loseing points. Then the player should be compensated in some form or fashion. Even if its to force you to go back to town and get healed.
Its a difficult question. On one side you do not want people to have an I win button. On the other you kinda gotta feal for the person black barred into oblivion
A better solution should be that FD goes through all the death mechanics except decay and cloneing. That way if jedifd in combat with bh the points are just taken. If the bh does the same the points get taken. That way the people abuseing it still have it but it basically boils down to the advantage that dedicated smugglers have. That you might not have to travel to a cloneing center. That you might avoid paying for cloneing and insurance or healing wounds.
Heck you can make it inherent to all smuggler FD. After allt he worst we lose is faction points, and we can buy those anyway.
Jaguarrr
Thu Jan 06, 2005 2:47 am
#33
NickHeel wrote:
I don't think it was JustG (or maybe it was) that said something about Feign Death was working as intended in PvP. I find that half laughable, half irritating.
I personally filed a ticket on whether experimentation or any other action (besides skill) made any difference on slicing. I was curious about the response and this was when everyone was still arguing over it even after some results had been posted. Anywho, my response said something along the lines of "Please know that using any skill level beyond Slicing 4 or adding experimentation to your slicing tools to increase results is clearly exploiting. Please stop this or a CSR will be forced to take action."
/boggle
Sooo... The CSR says that slicing as Master Smuggler is an exploit and that experimentation is an exploit. All those poor crafters that have to get banned now...
gomi321
Thu Jan 06, 2005 6:09 am
#34
ana-mo-cara wrote:
ONE I am not being critical of you useing the FD its your skill you paid for it you should be able to use it.
We both agree on that
TWO I was pointing out that you should get a screenshot lest the other player that tortured you says that you did something to bring it on yourself. Like well first he his me with a disease and then FD then laughed at me. In general unless you have proof the csr only has he says she says. So you should atleast make the effort of haveing a verification on your side. Not only a screen of the act but the dialogue.
I did log the conversation. Didn't think I needed to post anything since this just started out as a humorous post.
THREE My last point was is it really worth it to let a few jerks play ragdoll with you for half an hour. At this point you have decided to be just as much a pain as they are. Your getting agitated they are getting agitated. Both sides are wasteing game time better spent on something else. Your still blackbarred they are still without FP.
To tell you the truth yeah it was. I had already started my hour to go covert and when it happaned I just alt-tabbed out of the game and went back to work.
Anyone know if the /report command is still around. EXP /report meanguy. So that a csr might come to investigate and come to your aid.
Also the point still stands we are takeing the heat for what the jedis, and bhs are doing with the smuggler FD. These parties are useing this move as an I WIN button to deny the other half satisfaction, and to goad them. So alot of other players are takeing out their frustration over this by blackbarring real smugglers. Yes a jedi does win when they deny a bounty hunter the kill. They do not have to pay the xp loss, and bhs who do it get to attack jedi with no risk.
Stawei_Idow
Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:47 am
#35
Jaguarrr wrote:
NickHeel wrote:I personally filed a ticket on whether experimentation or any other action (besides skill) made any difference on slicing. I was curious about the response and this was when everyone was still arguing over it even after some results had been posted. Anywho, my response said something along the lines of "Please know that using any skill level beyond Slicing 4 or adding experimentation to your slicing tools to increase results is clearly exploiting. Please stop this or a CSR will be forced to take action."
Sooo... The CSR says that slicing as Master Smuggler is an exploit and that experimentation is an exploit. All those poor crafters that have to get banned now...
no, it says anything beyond slicing 4 or experimentation to your tools is exploiting (i.e. powerup slicing, double slicing), not that experimenting is expoiting.
but you are right about master smuggler slicing is exploiting. according to that statement.
N3rfHerder
Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:10 am
#36
LoL Gomi, last time someone posted something like this about a CSR response in the Jedi forum a few dev's ended up posting as it grew to like 10 pages...
The CSR who said this should thank you, if you had posted it there it might have caused him troubles
Stawei_Idow
Thu Jan 06, 2005 3:13 pm
#37
NickHeel wrote:
Those weren't the exact words that the CSR used. I do remember that they were close though and implied that by using your Master Smuggler skill to slice (how can you not!?) or by experimenting with your tools, you have performed an exploit. It was explained that nothing should effect slicing past the skill of Slicing 4 and if you experimented on your tools (even if it didn't work at the time) or you were getting higher results with Master Smuggler, then you were exploiting.
/boggle
well thats just silly then.
clearly a skill given to everyone by completing a skill box is not an exploit, neither is experimenting on crafted items.
power-up slicing, double slicing, without a doubt you are abusing the system, and should be banned.
i thought you were poking fun at someone who didnt know that there was a bonus to slicing at master and that tool experimentation didnt work. and you were, a little, but you were also serious.
which is serious.
Cloudchasing
Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:06 pm
#38
NickHeel wrote:
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Those weren'tthe exact words that the CSR used. I do remember that they were close though and emplied that by using your Master Smuggler skill to slice (how can you not!?) or by experimenting with your tools, you have performed an exploit. It was explained that nothing should effect slicing past the skill of Slicing 4 and if you experimented on your tools (even if it didn't work at the time) or you were getting higher results with Master Smuggler, then you were exploiting.
/boggle
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I think that the problem here is that "some" of the CSR's just don't know enough about the game. I certainly would not imply that there are a lot of CSR's that are ignorant as they get the job of CSR by having exemplary knowledge of the game. But there are several examples of abuse by a CSR. It is entirely possible that this certain guy just doesn't understand much about the smuggler prof other than what most people do. *shrug* I dunno
NickHeel
Fri Jan 07, 2005 1:17 am
#39
Stawei_Idow wrote:
Jaguarrr wrote:
NickHeel wrote:
I personally filed a ticket on whether experimentation or any other action (besides skill) made any difference on slicing. I was curious about the response and this was when everyone was still arguing over it even after some results had been posted. Anywho, my response said something along the lines of "Please know that using any skill level beyond Slicing 4 or adding experimentation to your slicing tools to increase results is clearly exploiting. Please stop this or a CSR will be forced to take action."
Sooo... The CSR says that slicing as Master Smuggler is an exploit and that experimentation is an exploit. All those poor crafters that have to get banned now...
no, it says anything beyond slicing 4 or experimentation to your tools is exploiting (i.e. powerup slicing, double slicing), not that experimenting is expoiting.
but you are right about master smuggler slicing is exploiting. according to that statement.
Those weren'tthe exact words that the CSR used. I do remember that they were close though and emplied that by using your Master Smuggler skill to slice (how can you not!?) or by experimenting with your tools, you have performed an exploit. It was explained that nothing should effect slicing past the skill of Slicing 4 and if you experimented on your tools (even if it didn't work at the time) or you were getting higher results with Master Smuggler, then you were exploiting.
/boggle
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