Smuggler Archive
Thread: am i being greedy when i ask...
Moricky wrote:
when i ask that smugglers get the massassi knucklers too. we get unarmed mods, and no weapon to use with it, i feel it would be nice if commies and smugglers got this weapon, as it does look quite smuggleryif thats a word...
IF NOT IT IS NOW!
Communists are certerd for weapons? 
Er, anyway, bringing myself back to reality, ahem... No, I don't think we should be certed with such a weapon. Now, if we had Unarmed specials, deffinitely, but as it stands, we don't.
Lixosskzzo wrote:
fishbrains wrote:
we get two pistols, let's not be greedy.
But why? Why give us mods for unarmed and for pistols, but only give us pistol weapons. I'd understand if it were more feasible to go unarmed using no weapon, but especially with the removal of the "killing yourself with specials", there isn't much reason to fight hand to hand without a knuckler.
I totally agree we shouldn't poach. We shouldn't be trained to use some exotic knuckler. We should be trained to use something dirty and street-fighting related, like brass knuckles as was said, or a wire wrapped around a hand (electrical damage
Look, all I know is this. Its an improvement over what he had lol. Remember the question, "Why make us get Unarmed IV, but we get nothing in Smuggler for it?" Besides, I dont plan on using Unarmed as a Smuggler anyways. What I do like is the Melee Defense we get.
Of course, there's a few problems here, that need to be looked at very carefully.
What damage type? Should it be kinetic, or whatever type the pistol is? Answer: Kinetic, obviously.
Damage range, should it be based off the damage range of the pistol, or based primarily off our own damage mod, with a slight increase due to the fact its not just our bare hands? If so, how high is the increase? Answer: I'd say base the damage off of what we'd do unarmed, or actually, around 125% of what we'd do unarmed, to signify its not just our hands.
Better Answer: Make the damage a gradient. Novice Smuggler grants the ability to pull off unarmed(and only unarmed attacks) while a pistol(and only a pistol, no carbines or rifles) is equipped, with no damage increase. Dirty Fighting 2 grants an Improved form, which is 115% damage in this state. Master grants the 125% increase.
Note: Due to the somewhat awkward motions done while using unarmed attacks with a pistol, time between attacks should be increased.
Would this be as effective as a Knuckler of any type? Answer: No.
Would this be more effective than true unarmed fighting? Short Answer: No.
Long Answer: Not precisely, its a trade off, damage for speed. Do you wanna deal slightly more damage at a slower pace, or average damage at a faster pace? Either way, you're better with some form of knuckler.
Those are my thoughts, make of them what you will.