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Thread: Tiggs: Getting to know the Smugglers and our profession!

Smuggler_Caylin
Fri Sep 10, 2004 1:49 pm
#14




DRWolfe wrote:
Ok, so what if I'm an information Smuggler... Here's a reply we can expect. Looks like she wants the a full broadside from the community...





I am well aware of the sticky issues threads and the excel sheets that ThunderHeart has. The reason(s) I am doing this is 1. to get to know you, 2. get a better feel about your posting styles and 3. Gather fresh feedback from the community. If you feel like you are repeating yourself then please feel free to opt out of posting in this thread.





Well I guess this shuts me up till the revamp.









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DrevenStrobe
Fri Sep 10, 2004 1:52 pm
#15
Pasted from another forum:





Tiggs wrote:




Rurry wrote:

Hi Tiggs,


Please refer to the top 5 issue threads. The communities created them to help TH and the DEVS with our issues



But since you asked Variety/color of houses/furniture





Reposted from another thread: I am well aware of the sticky issues threads and the excel sheets that ThunderHeart has. The reason(s) I am doing this is 1. to get to know you, 2. get a better feel about your posting styles and 3. Gather fresh feedback from the community. If you feel like you are repeating yourself then please feel free to opt out of posting in this thread.




Ok...so she doesn't want references to other threads...she wants to get to know us better...


Awww...aint she sweet?


Well...I guess the first thing you should know is, Smugglers have developed our own Elite Profession beyond Smuggler...Master Cynic. We often post using sarcasm as a thin veil for our cynicism. And many of us...especially those of us who have been here for quite a while...have lost our taste for BS. So, unless you have something CONCRETE to share with us, just keep it to yourself.




Dreven Strobe (Colonel) Tristyn Strobe
TKM / Master Pistoleer / Master Smuggler / Master Merchant
Imp FP Broker: 130c/FP Starsider Imp FP Broker: 130c/FP
Smuggler 'til the end...and then some.
"Everything I tell you is a lie. The truth is always bigger than the words we use to describe it."
KefkaQ
Fri Sep 10, 2004 1:54 pm
#16

Smuggler_Caylin wrote:

DRWolfe wrote:
Ok, so what if I'm an information Smuggler... Here's a reply we can expect. Looks like she wants the a full broadside from the community...

I am well aware of the sticky issues threads and the excel sheets that ThunderHeart has. The reason(s) I am doing this is 1. to get to know you, 2. get a better feel about your posting styles and 3. Gather fresh feedback from the community. If you feel like you are repeating yourself then please feel free to opt out of posting in this thread.

Well I guess this shuts me up till the revamp.







I know. Cayline replies to her thread with 'Myself and the whole community feel like we are repeating ourselves. This is the only reply you will see.' Or something *eyedart*



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Shazeen
Fri Sep 10, 2004 1:56 pm
#17




DrevenStrobe wrote:

Pasted from another forum:





Tiggs wrote:




Rurry wrote:

Hi Tiggs,


Please refer to the top 5 issue threads. The communities created them to help TH and the DEVS with our issues



But since you asked Variety/color of houses/furniture





Reposted from another thread: I am well aware of the sticky issues threads and the excel sheets that ThunderHeart has. The reason(s) I am doing this is 1. to get to know you, 2. get a better feel about your posting styles and 3. Gather fresh feedback from the community. If you feel like you are repeating yourself then please feel free to opt out of posting in this thread.




Ok...so she doesn't want references to other threads...she wants to get to know us better...


Awww...aint she sweet?


Well...I guess the first thing you should know is, Smugglers have developed our own Elite Profession beyond Smuggler...Master Cynic. We often post using sarcasm as a thin veil for our cynicism. And many of us...especially those of us who have been here for quite a while...have lost our taste for BS. So, unless you have something CONCRETE to share with us, just keep it to yourself.




Exactly!




~ Blanchbaca ~ Master Rifleman / Master Chef ~ Flurry || Orim ~ Master Pistoleer / Master Smuggler ~ Scylla ~


IndySWG
Fri Sep 10, 2004 2:00 pm
#18


Yes Tiggs for the Love of God please don't ask us what's important to us ... We've been tearfully begging people to take our countless pages of feed back for a year and half ... and were only jsut starting to believe they had ... don't even imply we have to start all over I beg you.


You'll find that the Smuggler community is unique in it's solidarity. We are all on the same page as to what is wrong with our profession. Please don't ask us to repeat it again. We've got consensus, and we've posted it, and we've delivered it.


As far as how we FEEL ... we've been lied to. I know you can't acknowledge that but its the truth. And you have to at least acknowledge that this is how we feel. We dont have alot of trust / faith in the red names at the moment. Devs say they "hear us" then ask us"what's wrong", and then say they "hear us" and then ask us "what was wrong again?", and the "oh yeah we feel you now" and "lets talk about the revamp" and then "revamp!? whoa! who said revamp" and then "oh yeah we did ... what was wrong again?" Please break this cycle.


All that being said ... the smuggler forum is also one of the kindest, most helpful, patient groups of players this game has. It's the reason we are all in a profession which is so badly broken. You'll like it here in the Smuggler Forum if you hang out for a while. If you can get our profession the Love it deserves your name will be sung in song and adorn the side of smuggler's starships untill the end of time ... but please for our sanity ... dont post in the Smuggler forum asking us to recount it all again.



(edited for type-o)

Message Edited by IndySWG on 09-10-2004 04:06 PM



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TsN-Wizzer
Fri Sep 10, 2004 2:02 pm
#19
One would almost think that Smugglers are Bitter!


Nah..... We aren't Sarcastic either!




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Chavabegga
Fri Sep 10, 2004 2:05 pm
#20




Smuggler_Caylin wrote:




DRWolfe wrote:
Ok, so what if I'm an information Smuggler... Here's a reply we can expect. Looks like she wants the a full broadside from the community...





I am well aware of the sticky issues threads and the excel sheets that ThunderHeart has. The reason(s) I am doing this is 1. to get to know you, 2. get a better feel about your posting styles and 3. Gather fresh feedback from the community. If you feel like you are repeating yourself then please feel free to opt out of posting in this thread.


Well I guess this shuts me up till the revamp.




Is it just me or does this community relations manager already seem a bit snippy?



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DrevenStrobe
Fri Sep 10, 2004 2:13 pm
#21




Chavabegga wrote:




Smuggler_Caylin wrote:




DRWolfe wrote:
Ok, so what if I'm an information Smuggler... Here's a reply we can expect. Looks like she wants the a full broadside from the community...





I am well aware of the sticky issues threads and the excel sheets that ThunderHeart has. The reason(s) I am doing this is 1. to get to know you, 2. get a better feel about your posting styles and 3. Gather fresh feedback from the community. If you feel like you are repeating yourself then please feel free to opt out of posting in this thread.


Well I guess this shuts me up till the revamp.





Is it just me or does this community relations manager already seem a bit snippy?





It's not just you....



Dreven Strobe (Colonel) Tristyn Strobe
TKM / Master Pistoleer / Master Smuggler / Master Merchant
Imp FP Broker: 130c/FP Starsider Imp FP Broker: 130c/FP
Smuggler 'til the end...and then some.
"Everything I tell you is a lie. The truth is always bigger than the words we use to describe it."
NickHeel
Fri Sep 10, 2004 2:26 pm
#22




DrevenStrobe wrote:

Ok...so she doesn't want references to other threads...she wants to get to know us better...


Awww...aint she sweet?


Well...I guess the first thing you should know is, Smugglers have developed our own Elite Profession beyond Smuggler...Master Cynic. We often post using sarcasm as a thin veil for our cynicism. And many of us...especially those of us who have been here for quite a while...have lost our taste for BS. So, unless you have something CONCRETE to share with us, just keep it to yourself.



Damn right, Dreven. We need to push the point across that we don't want them to act interested or tells us "we're looking into it". We want to hear "We looked into and this is what is going to happen for you guys" and then have it done. There's no sense in "we'll see what happens later" or "ok I'll have it done" and then it turns out to be the exact opposite.


Tiggs, if you want to know our concerns?


1.) Smugglers don't smuggle anything because stuff that's supposed to be illegal (slicing, spices, weapons-grade resources) is running rampant with no checks or it's just not needed at all (spices). And by the way, NPC Smuggler missions isn't the smuggling we're looking for. We want restrictions on Endor Wooly Hide, Lokian Wheat, ect so someone can pay us X amount of credits to transport it from place to place. That is interactive smuggling and playing with other players. Sticking us to a terminal and telling us to pay 15 bucks a month with no interaction with other people in a MMORPG is not my idea of fun. Smuggling for a PC to another PC through blockades is my idea of fun.


2.) Lies. Lies. Lies. There's a big difference between "I'll see what I can do but no promises" and it not happening and "This is what's going to happen" and it not happening. We've seen far too much of the latter. Not to mention Haden Blackman's ill-fated statement about Smugglers being under some crazy assumption of us getting revamped after the revamp was announced, scheduled, hyped, and then dropped.


3.) Stuff just doesn't mesh. Smugglers don't make spice, we're supposed toSMUGGLE it from crafter to dealer. Spice isn't made from bone, gems, and droid lube. It's mined or grown as its own substance. We have an unarmed prereq with no unarmed connection in our profession. No personal weapon. +100 language comp is useless. Panic Shot/Feign Death are near useless. Nothing in the Master's box except an "invisible" bonus to slicing (because nothing is documented anywhere) and 25% off faction.


I can't think of anything else at the moment. But I'd say the outright disrespect to us as a profession for being told one thing and given another (if anything at all) and the Devs say they love us and we're in need of the most love but I'll tell ya, they sure have a funny way of showing it. And we can't smuggle for NPCs or PCs. Stuff isn't illegal. We make useless spices instead of Smuggling high-end spices into the economy from crafters.


Lastly, Tiggs, if you don't want posts to other threads, you're cutting us off big time. We have so many documented cases of the Dev lies and so many of our profession BREAKING problems stickied that it's insane to compress them into 3 top issues. That's why our profession has needed a revamp since Day 1, we have SO MANY profession breaking problems.





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David665
Fri Sep 10, 2004 2:29 pm
#23
I don't think it is the the Smuggler community is bitter pre se, it's just that as a whole, the community is like all the other professions in that it is tired of having things promised and then not having those promises delivered upon. I think that if Green Marine is left alone and he is allowed to implement his plan as fully as the game engine allows, then Smuggler will be hella fun to play.


BH's will also have another pool of marks to hunt other than Jedi, as long as Smugglers aren't subjected to the onerous xp loss like those poor ba$tards, the Jedi, are.


I think Caylin has outlined the grievences of the Smugglers quite well, and has compiled a pretty damning set of links that shows that the Smuggler community has been continuosly decieved for the last year. If Tiggs or any other dev wants to know what the Smugglers want, they can either look at Caylin's list, or just take a look at what Green Marine wants the Smugglers to be, because that's what we want.
Planeseeker
Fri Sep 10, 2004 2:40 pm
#24




DrevenStrobe wrote:

Pasted from another forum:





Tiggs wrote:




Rurry wrote:

Hi Tiggs,


Please refer to the top 5 issue threads. The communities created them to help TH and the DEVS with our issues



But since you asked Variety/color of houses/furniture





Reposted from another thread: I am well aware of the sticky issues threads and the excel sheets that ThunderHeart has. The reason(s) I am doing this is 1. to get to know you, 2. get a better feel about your posting styles and 3. Gather fresh feedback from the community. If you feel like you are repeating yourself then please feel free to opt out of posting in this thread.




Ok...so she doesn't want references to other threads...she wants to get to know us better...


Awww...aint she sweet?


Well...I guess the first thing you should know is, Smugglers have developed our own Elite Profession beyond Smuggler...Master Cynic. We often post using sarcasm as a thin veil for our cynicism. And many of us...especially those of us who have been here for quite a while...have lost our taste for BS. So, unless you have something CONCRETE to share with us, just keep it to yourself.





She wants to get to know "us" then maybe she should play (insert profession of choice except jedi here) like "us."


End of line.


Graby





Cake or Death!!??!!
MaxSteele
Fri Sep 10, 2004 2:52 pm
#25
Here is something that can be fixed by just adding some text....


Put in the Master Smuggler box the bonuses that Master Smugglers get. Put in that Master Smugglers get a bonus to slicing above Slicing IV. Put in that Master Smugglers have a 90% chance to avoid contraband scans (should be 100%, but that topic has been visited before). The other boxes where the scan evasion bonuses are supposed to be do not have this labeled either.


Just put descriptions of what the smuggler can do in their Smuggler skill boxes.


The other thing is to fix the Powerup Exploit!


Now, on to other issues from myself personally (these are not listed in order of importance):


1) Yes, everyone is saying Smugglers don't Smuggle. We don't. There is nothing in the game that makes us do this. Many ideas have been given, and if you are aware of the stickies, then you know what they are. My personal favorite is having Smuggler mission terminals where bases are spawned that have locked containers with loot inside. We would have to kill the guards of the base, slice open the doors, then make our way through the base, find a locked container, slice it open, grab the contents, and take it back to the mission terminal for a reward.


2) The Jawa Fortress trade was added in Publish 7. Unfortunately, it is worthless because all you get is a few extra credits for your trouble to go out to them on Tatooine. Drayson Farseeker has a great idea under the thread "Jawa Fortress Idea Please Comment". He details a system where smugglers trading in junk would have the ability to buy or trade looted items (Krayt Tissue, weapon enhancements, etc...). The thread is here: http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=smuggler&message.id=112533&highlight=jawa+loot#M112533


3) Besides the Imperial Crackdown (which was severely weakened in both the penalties and the fact that higher-ranking Imperials can avoid all scans), there is nothing that shows what we do to weapons and armor is illegal. Some ideas that have been posted are make it so you cannot sell sliced items on vendors. Another idea is give smugglers the ability to place a contraband vendor where these items can be sold. A third idea is make it so when a smuggler slices within any city limit, he receives a TEF and is attackable for 5 minutes. And a final idea is a Smuggler / Bounty Hunter system similar to Jedi where the more a smuggler slices, the higher his visibility raises. When it gets to a certain point, he shows up on the Bounty Hunter terminals.


4) Increase the amount of faction smugglers can buy from recruiters. It is currently 500. This is much too low and involves a pointless repeat of buying a couple hundred faction, and transffering it, buyinga couple hundred faction, and transferring it, etc....


5) Mag Seal containers in dungeons should be smuggler content. Currently they are on an unknown refresh timer and anyone can open them. They should only be opened by a smuggler. Perhaps adding multiple levels of mag seal containers that correspond with the smuggler's slicing ability.


6) We have an Unarmed requirement for the profession, but receive no extra unarmed abilities in the Smuggler line. Some unarmed specials added to the Dirty Fighting tree would help.


7) When the chef revamp occured, it severely limited the usefulness of spice. There have been many ideas on spice changes, and I hadn't got too involved with them. But this is an area that needs looking into.


This is all I have for now. I hope you get a chance to read it.



Evarn Terallis - Master Smuggler on Kettemoor

There are missions in which you "deliver an item while hostiles attack you" in every profession. I still don't consider [Smuggler's Alliance] pilots to be Smugglers, nor 'Smuggling' - at least not any more than Rebel Pilots or Imperial Pilots might sometimes "smuggle", with a lower-case s - JFreeman - 10/6/04
JWing
Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:10 pm
#26
Well said.


Welcome Tiggs



In this small little section of the forums resides the quietest, sneakiest and sly Smugglers from all across the galaxy.


"Our own lil cantins if you will."



Were very excited on getting some freah eyes on our profession.



/greet whole heartly



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