Smuggler Archive

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Nicolas_Frost wrote:
One thing caught my attention, could you please remind me of this LOS bug? I'm guessing it means you can't fire upon an individual without a line of sight, correct? If that is what you're refering to, its not a bug. We're not supposed to be able to fire through hills, rocks, and trees. If not, please explain, its confusing me as to whatever else this might possibly be.

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Message Edited by Yoca on 06-29-2005 10:56 PM

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Yoca wrote:

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Nicolas_Frost wrote:
One thing caught my attention, could you please remind me of this LOS bug? I'm guessing it means you can't fire upon an individual without a line of sight, correct? If that is what you're refering to, its not a bug. We're not supposed to be able to fire through hills, rocks, and trees. If not, please explain, its confusing me as to whatever else this might possibly be.

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No. At the ryat trail there is a spot where you cannot be attacked cause system always gives the enemy "you cannot see target". Jedi use this exploit to duck from BHs.

For everyone not understanding what this thingy does:

1) Set Panic Shot as your default.

2) Start shooting -> enemy can do nothing but move around helplessly.

3) Move closer to enemy and continue shooting standard attack (panic shoot) -> It will be immediatly reapplied. The enemy is on perma daze.

4) Standing next to your enemy use firearm strike. This will most likely knock him down breaking the daze from panic shot.

5) Refresh timer is so fast your standard attack almost hits immediatly after knockdown -> KD target dazed

6) Target cannot KD recover while dazed.

7) continue at 3

Effect: Enemy is perma dazed, perma knockdowned not able to move or heal.

Eventuelly KD is going to end moving the enemy in standing position (in this case reapply firearm strike between 2 panic shots. You should use a high Elemental Damage weapon cause Elemental damage is NOT reduced by the special attack you are using (with a Acid Launcher you do 150 damage per shot on a defenseless target). But you do not really have to care abaout damage as long as it is higher as regen rate on targets health. You have plenty of time.

Maybe this even prevents jedi from using AI. Who knows.

So i guess its useless to hope for common sense here ... so lets start rule the servers, flame the BHs who will become smugglers very soon.

Little hint: Do not use Flame Throwers in this, cause the Fire DOT breaks daze. Finally Smuggler are PvP 0wn0rz. thats what we all wanted in the end, right? :-p

I am curious what this "Smuggler revamp" will end in. I expected and hoped for something different.

Message Edited by Yoca on 06-29-2005 10:56 PM

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Yoca wrote:

Panic Shot is the UBER move for smuggler now post Pub 19! Use it as standard attack and it keeps enemy in PERMA DAZE!

Use one Firearm Strike sometime and target gets knocked down staying PERMA DAZED amd PERMA KNOCKDOWNED.

They cannot KD recover, not heal, no't do anything.

You just keep the KD and kill them all the way.

Smuggler are ubeatable now in a 1 on 1!

This is unbalanced as hell.

I am Master Smuggler since every and after CU Master Smuggler / Master Commando but this is definatly game breaking! I want it fixed ASAP!

Jedi be aware, smugglers are your deaths now!

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Yoca wrote:

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Nicolas_Frost wrote:
One thing caught my attention, could you please remind me of this LOS bug? I'm guessing it means you can't fire upon an individual without a line of sight, correct? If that is what you're refering to, its not a bug. We're not supposed to be able to fire through hills, rocks, and trees. If not, please explain, its confusing me as to whatever else this might possibly be.

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No. At the ryat trail there is a spot where you cannot be attacked cause system always gives the enemy "you cannot see target". Jedi use this exploit to duck from BHs.

For everyone not understanding what this thingy does:

1) Set Panic Shot as your default.

2) Start shooting -> enemy can do nothing but move around helplessly.

3) Move closer to enemy and continue shooting standard attack (panic shoot) -> It will be immediatly reapplied. The enemy is on perma daze.

4) Standing next to your enemy use firearm strike. This will most likely knock him down breaking the daze from panic shot.

5) Refresh timer is so fast your standard attack almost hits immediatly after knockdown -> KD target dazed

6) Target cannot KD recover while dazed.

7) continue at 3

Effect: Enemy is perma dazed, perma knockdowned not able to move or heal.

Eventuelly KD is going to end moving the enemy in standing position (in this case reapply firearm strike between 2 panic shots. You should use a high Elemental Damage weapon cause Elemental damage is NOT reduced by the special attack you are using (with a Acid Launcher you do 150 damage per shot on a defenseless target). But you do not really have to care abaout damage as long as it is higher as regen rate on targets health. You have plenty of time.

Maybe this even prevents jedi from using AI. Who knows.

So i guess its useless to hope for common sense here ... so lets start rule the servers, flame the BHs who will become smugglers very soon.

Little hint: Do not use Flame Throwers in this, cause the Fire DOT breaks daze. Finally Smuggler are PvP 0wn0rz. thats what we all wanted in the end, right? :-p

I am curious what this "Smuggler revamp" will end in. I expected and hoped for something different.

Message Edited by Yoca on 06-29-2005 10:56 PM

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Jedi can healduring knockdown, but not anytime while dazed.

To OP: this along with chainrooting is being fixed next pub.

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Bzzzz wrote:

I was only doing 163 damage with this per hit (Prot Carbine), so I'm thinking that against a player, they'd have plenty of time to log out, buy a sandwich, or write a short novel before they were in any serious danger. And Jedi can heal from a knockdown, no?

-Zz

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Yes, they can heal while KD, but they cannot heal while Dazed. That's the whole point of that special. The target cannot attack, heal or take any action. Panic shot does not Root, however, that is why you need to do the firearm strike to keep the target on his/her/it's butt. If you are a BH, you can do Underhand shot between Panic Shots for the same effect.

That being said. You don't NEED to do this to win a fight. Use Concussion Shot and stop firing. Call your Detination droid and blow up your target. Follow the explosion with your Panic Shot to prevent a heal and then hit with a high damage shot. This should kill your target.

IF you are attempting to use the Panic Shot "exploit" while in PvP combat with mulitple enemies... you're retarded. You won't kill your target fast enough. His buddies will be on you in no time. Then once you turn on them to defend yourself, your original enemy will be back up and moving. Plus... if a Jedi was smart...*cough*... they would continue to use the "duel exploit" Once mezzed, duel your buddy. One shot and your Daze breaks. If the guy is using Panic Shot as his default..... Call for help. You should have enough time for a buddy to get there in time. We all know Jedi have a little black book of all their l33t friends.

If you aren't a Jedi, why are you running around doing PvP solo? Role play? That's fine... but expect to get hammered some times. No decay in PvP death, so who cares? Worried about your combat rating?.... omg... who gives a fart??? Rest assured, there will be a Daze timer put in. Relax.

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Yoca wrote:

Panic Shot is the UBER move for smuggler now post Pub 19! Use it as standard attack and it keeps enemy in PERMA DAZE!

Use one Firearm Strike sometime and target gets knocked down staying PERMA DAZED amd PERMA KNOCKDOWNED.

They cannot KD recover, not heal, no't do anything.

You just keep the KD and kill them all the way.

Smuggler are ubeatable now in a 1 on 1!

This is unbalanced as hell.

I am Master Smuggler since every and after CU Master Smuggler / Master Commando but this is definatly game breaking! I want it fixed ASAP!

Jedi be aware, smugglers are your deaths now!

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Hes just not gonna be happy till nothing is left but Jebi fighting each other!

GO AWAY JEBI, QUIT SAYING EVERY CHANGE TO US NEEDS TO BE CHANGED AGAIN OR THAT ITS TOO UBER TO STAND. GEEZ , maybe the Jebi can just do our revamp and totaly remove us from the game!

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SwenLaransa wrote:

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Dakkaeo wrote:
daze breaks on dmg....

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Hush. No logic.

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Yoca wrote:

Panic Shot is the UBER move for smuggler now post Pub 19! Use it as standard attack and it keeps enemy in PERMA DAZE!

Use one Firearm Strike sometime and target gets knocked down staying PERMA DAZED amd PERMA KNOCKDOWNED.

They cannot KD recover, not heal, no't do anything.

You just keep the KD and kill them all the way.

Smuggler are ubeatable now in a 1 on 1!

This is unbalanced as hell.

I am Master Smuggler since every and after CU Master Smuggler / Master Commando but this is definatly game breaking! I want it fixed ASAP!

Jedi be aware, smugglers are your deaths now!

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Questron wrote:

"I am Master Smuggler since every and after CU Master Smuggler / Master Commando but this is definatly game breaking! I want it fixed ASAP!

Jedi be aware, smugglers are your deaths now!"

Strange sentiment. Your demanding it be fixed ASAP but your a true smuggler? I would think you would take advantage of it while you could as I'm sure they'll fix it and break something else before very long. How exactly is it game breaking for you, if your the smuggler anyway? Are you demanding they fix the commando weapons as well? I am the same template with command and smuggler and you don't find it unnerving that when you use a flame thrower half the time the mob gets back up because of the fire damage? And nothing like trying to use a weapon that can backlash on you and AE everything in the area. I end up using a rifle alot of times to keep from pulling the whole lair. I could get the same result by tossing a grenade which Idon't even want to get into as far as being useless. I don't think the Jedi are as worried about the smugglers as they are the BHs who are tracking them. Course I'm keeping commando just because I loved it pre-cu and I'll stick with it post-cu, no matter what happens. ASAP seems excessive when they've just made massive changes to slicing and now we've, the smugglers, got to get the new equipment to make the slices possible. I hear the CHs have it even worse. Seems to me the grass is still pretty green on this side of the fence but hey, I'm just a smuggler trying to get a nut.

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Yah he's a true Smuggler, geez whats your problem you can't tell he's a true Smuggler by the Jedi avatar and the cries of "NERF IT!NERF IT! NERF THE SMUGGLER SPECIAL INTO OBLIVION!"

/sarcasm off

Wait you guys, this is "for real"....

We only fight with bomb droids anyhow...