Smuggler Archive

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Smuggler_Caylin wrote:
Has our profession ever been out of the "In Concept" stage? I sure haven't played the version of smuggler that actually did what it's name implies. At least not in this game.

After so much conceptualization of our profession they should get it perfect the first time. Yet after the questions they answered it sure doesn't look like that is going to be the case.

*casts vote of no-confidence*

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thank you Wes for your work to bring us this communication.

With it said that these Ideas are still in Concept, I ask you to please take all the point-by-point reviews of thier answers, roll them up, and beat the devs over the head with them repeatedly until they understand what OUR concept of the system is vs. thiers, and why ours is better.

Edit for horid Typographical errors.

Message Edited by SBRD0C on 10-13-2005 07:36 PM

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WesBelden wrote:
I've been asked to state that the Smuggler changes are still, "In Concept" and as such have not yet been moved to, "In Development" which is why some things have not been decided at this time.

The purpose of the In Concept thread is to gather feedback before the design is locked down. The In-Concept threads may not even make it into the game either. It is just a way for the developers to give the community an insight of what they are thinking of doing.

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This request was made as a reply to the thread in which I talked about the IC answers and all your reactions to it.

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So how about the Dev's growing some ***** and coming in here and once and for all making a no BS, no double talk, no sidestep post and tell us WTH they are planning on doing with our profession for once?

I can understand an MMO being in a constent state for work but c'mon and cut the crap. 2 and a half years and they are now sitting with 3 different professions that they want to redo with one of them NEVER working like it was advertised and another that they are TOTALLY reworking? This is amature work at best....

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JediArashi wrote:

In all honesty, when was the last time we saw any meaningful changes to the game at all done through the In Concept process? Really?

It seems most of the stuff is done on a whim anyway. Thus, just like many of us who have been through all the battles in this giant war have said, you have to beleive it when you see it. Once it goes to In Developement, then we can institute change, otherwise we get craptastic answers like the ones we got. No suprise.

I commend you Wes for continueing to take the high road that not many of are willing to do.

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Good point. Creature Handler and SL appeared out of nowhere, and Ranger is straight 'in development'.

Also, if the 'in concept' is something we shouldn't take seriously, why have tiggs respond to them at all?

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WesBelden wrote:
The In-Concept threads may not even make it into the game either.

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Heh...what? Really?

I really hope they understand we're tired of getting in-concept threads that read like they 'cherry picked' the least interesting parts of what we actually come up with for a revamp. You'd honestly think that after the little bit of work they've put into each of these 'in concepts' what 3-4 times now? If they conglomerated that into one SOLID effort, used our ideas, we'd all be shatting ourselves with goddamn glee right now and not trashing the ever living dog crap out of them.

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WesBelden wrote:
I've been asked to state that the Smuggler changes are still, "In Concept" and as such have not yet been moved to, "In Development" which is why some things have not been decided at this time.

The purpose of the In Concept thread is to gather feedback before the design is locked down. The In-Concept threads may not even make it into the game either. It is just a way for the developers to give the community an insight of what they are thinking of doing.

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This request was made as a reply to the thread in which I talked about the IC answers and all your reactions to it.

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It still just boggles the mind why they are asking yet again for IC ideas and what we would like to see.

Do they think that just because a now former employee (GreenMarine) came up with and collated player ideas over a year ago that we no longer want anything that was discussed?
Or is it that it is a former employee's ideas that bothers them?
I know employees come and go, but what's the deal here?
Can they not accept the work that's already been done?
Do they resent the fact that they don't get to spend (waste) lots of time coming up with their own ideas and must use someone elses? (Or a majority of)
Did they just toss out all the old research and concepts they did previously?

I just fail to comprehend how we can still be IC after 2 years.
I've been following this debate since the IC post was made a couple of weeks ago, but I am just at a complete loss for words now.
Totally flabbergasted.

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Stawei_Idow wrote:

It still just boggles the mind why they are asking yet again for IC ideas and what we would like to see.

Do they think that just because a now former employee (GreenMarine) came up with and collated player ideas over a year ago that we no longer want anything that was discussed?
Or is it that it is a former employee's ideas that bothers them?
I know employees come and go, but what's the deal here?
Can they not accept the work that's already been done?
Do they resent the fact that they don't get to spend (waste) lots of time coming up with their own ideas and must use someone elses? (Or a majority of)
Did they just toss out all the old research and concepts they did previously?

I just fail to comprehend how we can still be IC after 2 years.
I've been following this debate since the IC post was made a couple of weeks ago, but I am just at a complete loss for words now.
Totally flabbergasted.

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QFE.

This is pretty much a dead-onreflection of my own sentiments. When you cut through it all, this is the part that is troubling me the most...even more sothan the 2-years of waiting (I still manage to find a way to play and have fun regardless), I am struck by the incongruity of the thought process which we are getting a glimpse of. Thank you forwriting this in such a clear and mature fashion!

Cigaran wrote:

So how about the Dev's growing some ***** and coming in here and once and for all making a no BS, no double talk, no sidestep post and tell us WTH they are planning on doing with our profession for once?