Smuggler Archive

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talansen wrote:
Because SOMEONE would get the position. Someone who's main concern wiht smuggler would be the combat/slicing/spicing aspects of it...and that's wehn we would get a revamp. And later, when we all complained about the revamp, they would say "but we already gave you the revamp that you wanted...."

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Still, my point is it doesn't matter who that person is. They are going to give us the revamp they want regardless. We have had some awesome correspondents who fought hard on our behalf and it did nothing. This is my point. Look at the slicing revamp. They came up with this In Concept system Plan A, which failed on the Dev server, then they came up with Plan B, which failed on the test server, and at the last minute and without listening to us at all, they came up with the loot based system. I think you don't get what I'm saying. I'm saying the position of correspondent is merely a deception to think we have a voice when we don't. If the good work of all our past correspondents and our present correspondents haven't let them listen to us nothing will. I do not think the real reason they have a correspondent is to listen to us and to help collect the consensus and communicate to them. I think the real reason they hire a correspondent (mind you I do not think the correspondents are complicit, I think they are lied to just like us) is to give us the illusion of community feedback, when in reality they are going to do what they want.

So even if we had such a correspondent as you suggest, we would get the same revamp. That's my point. It don't matter who the coro is. The coro and community concern isn't a factor in their game design. To use a metaphor, the coro and community sentiment are as significant factor in the ultimate design of the revamp as the alcohol content of Laphroig single malt is on the speed of light. So even if we have a coro whose main concern is slicing/spicing/combat, it will have no effect on the end product, the revamp.

If what we thought really had any significance, they wouldn't dream of creating smuggler missions without a space component for not only is this a obvious thing for anyone who has seen even just one of the Star Wars movies, it is likely one of the few things about which this community is in complete agreement.

So I say go ahead hire some respec'er who wants to be a slice monkey...it won't make a difference. If you think Wes (God Bless him and his beer) is going to have any effect on the revamp, then you are living a lie.

It's all a lie. The only community that matters to the devs are jedi, because they are the majority of the player base now.

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CorbaerTek wrote:
I think we need to just hire our own devs and make a game called Soewars... with all these great smuggling ideas and all the other great ideas from other neglected professions. Would be a terrific game and maybe LA would learn a thing or two. Ah a wookie can dream right?

/expectTempBanLOL

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Actually, lately I've been dreaming of an MMO based on the Battletech universe.

Something similar in depth to SWG.
Space combat, ground combat, supply lines, mercenaries, multiple factions, a real GCW system with actual planetary conquest.

That would be sweet.

The basic concepts are really easy, but the intracacies would be harder.
Now, if only I knew a CEO at a good gaming company...

Message Edited by WareBin on 10-16-2005 04:40 PM

I realise this is mostly rhetorical, but there're a few questions I'd like to try and answer.

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lurdanta wrote:
And I ask this with all due respect and love, but why do you bother continuing as a correspondant.

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I've never really stopped to ask myself that question before; I applied because I wanted to try and help out both the community that I'd come to love and the game I saw and still see so much potential in (and I was vain enough to think that maybe I was the guy to do it ).

As for why I stay though, other than it just seems part of my life now, I think it's probably the same thing that keeps people posting their ideas and dreams on these boards, the desire to try and reach what's just over the horizon.

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lurdanta wrote:
And why should we bother with a correspondant?

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To be honest I'm not entirely sure I can answer that one. Correspondents as a whole (so we're told ) help out a fair bit and make the community relations team's job easier. If there wasn't a correspondent program, I guess someone or some people would be paid to do what we do as part of their duties. I suppose, other than saving a bit of money, the program puts a more tactile, human face on the liason between the developers and each niche of players.

As for, "We've been telling them the same thing for two years and we still havn't got it." no, I don't have an answer for why a correspondent is needed.

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lurdanta wrote:
So why should we bother trying at all?

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Ultimately, until a wonderful Smuggling system is developed, that's for everyone to judge and work out for themselves..

Funily enough I agree with the original poster. I've just never had the balls to say it. I don't think Any one could do a better job than Wes, butit's totaly out of his hands. It doesn't matter what he does or says SOE and LA will make the game they want to make.

If I was in Wes's position, God forbid, I would do exactly what the Op sugested, quit and ask that no one replace me until we get the system we want. Not because I think we would get it. But because I think that the only way we wil get it is if someone in the press does a very very truthfull and nasty job on SOE. We need publicity, we need people to pick up PC gamer or PCzone and read about what a shambles SOE has made of this game. We need people thinking twice about buying SWG and hit SOE where it hurts.

The bottom line is all they care about and thats the only place to hit em. I Don't think Wes is in that place yet. When the revamp is canceled this time, well, then we shal see.

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BaronJuJu wrote:

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Look for the record and before anyone else posts a kneejerk flame.

I am not actually asking Wes to step down.

I think Wes is a kickash coro.
I think Caylin was a kickash coro.
I think all our coros have been kickash, but...

It made no difference.

My point is why bother with a coro if it makes no difference?

This isn't a statement about Wes' job performance in particular, but the reality of its futility, which is to say, no matter how good a job he does it doesn't make any difference, so I asked the rhetorical question why bother to have a coro at all.

For those who don't know what a rhetorical question is:

A rhetorical question is usually defined as any question asked for a purpose other than to obtain the information the question asks. For example, "Why are you so stupid?" is likely to be a statement regarding one's opinion of the person addressed rather than a genuine request to know. Similarly, when someone responds to a tragic event by saying, "Why me, God?!" it is more likely to be an accusation or an expression of feeling than a realistic request for information.


Ok, I hope this clears things up.

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LOL....I think you need to unwind and relax a bit child. I certainly do know what a rhetorical question is.

My point which you completely overlooked in hurried attempt at a silly retort to what you thought was an insult thrown you was that if you think that it does no good no matter what we do, say or who the correspondant...

Why are you still in here posting?

If you give up, then move along.

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I think he is expressing despair.

I think he DOESN'T want to give up and is looking for hope.

I think many (if not most) of us are, Baron.

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You are absolutely right. And I'm not so much taking it all personal as I am passionate about it for which I will make no apologies.

Thank you for your post. It is nice to know some people get what I am trying to express.

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WesBelden wrote:
I realise this is mostly rhetorical, but there're a few questions I'd like to try and answer.

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lurdanta wrote:
And I ask this with all due respect and love, but why do you bother continuing as a correspondant.

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I've never really stopped to ask myself that question before; I applied because I wanted to try and help out both the community that I'd come to love and the game I saw and still see so much potential in (and I was vain enough to think that maybe I was the guy to do it ).

As for why I stay though, other than it just seems part of my life now, I think it's probably the same thing that keeps people posting their ideas and dreams on these boards, the desire to try and reach what's just over the horizon.

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lurdanta wrote:
And why should we bother with a correspondant?

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To be honest I'm not entirely sure I can answer that one. Correspondents as a whole (so we're told ) help out a fair bit and make the community relations team's job easier. If there wasn't a correspondent program, I guess someone or some people would be paid to do what we do as part of their duties. I suppose, other than saving a bit of money, the program puts a more tactile, human face on the liason between the developers and each niche of players.

As for, "We've been telling them the same thing for two years and we still havn't got it." no, I don't have an answer for why a correspondent is needed.

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lurdanta wrote:
So why should we bother trying at all?

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Ultimately, until a wonderful Smuggling system is developed, that's for everyone to judge and work out for themselves..

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I'm glad you realized I wasn't really asking you to quit. If anything I was marvelling at your persistence in the face of it all.

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BaronJuJu wrote:

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Look for the record and before anyone else posts a kneejerk flame.

I am not actually asking Wes to step down.

I think Wes is a kickash coro.
I think Caylin was a kickash coro.
I think all our coros have been kickash, but...

It made no difference.

My point is why bother with a coro if it makes no difference?

This isn't a statement about Wes' job performance in particular, but the reality of its futility, which is to say, no matter how good a job he does it doesn't make any difference, so I asked the rhetorical question why bother to have a coro at all.

For those who don't know what a rhetorical question is:

A rhetorical question is usually defined as any question asked for a purpose other than to obtain the information the question asks. For example, "Why are you so stupid?" is likely to be a statement regarding one's opinion of the person addressed rather than a genuine request to know. Similarly, when someone responds to a tragic event by saying, "Why me, God?!" it is more likely to be an accusation or an expression of feeling than a realistic request for information.


Ok, I hope this clears things up.

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LOL....I think you need to unwind and relax a bit child. I certainly do know what a rhetorical question is.

My point which you completely overlooked in hurried attempt at a silly retort to what you thought was an insult thrown you was that if you think that it does no good no matter what we do, say or who the correspondant...

Why are you still in here posting?

If you give up, then move along.

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You are so funny. I love you.

Why am I still here posting? Well that's easy. Because I care about the community. If I didn't I wouldn't post here and I wouldn't care. If I didn't care, these questions wouldn't bother me, but they do. I apologize, I assumed that was patently obvious. I should have been more explicit about it. And I think you are reading too much into what I write and interpreting the tone incorrectly. You dont' know me at all, so how can you so clearly know the story behind my post? True I am passionate about this and these questions concern me, but to call me childish and tell me I need to unwind is being somewhat presumptious wouldn't you agree? I realize your motivation for making it about me and throwing some basic trolling insults my way. You are either a troll or don't like being told you are wrong or don't understand what I am writing about, but that's ok. It happens all the time. I made the mistake of assuming people would understand why I am posting this. Obviously I was wrong and I should have been more explicit about it, which is why I added the definition about rhetorical questions, since people seemed to think I was actually asking Wes to resign, which I wasn't. Your post seemed to be based on an assumption I was asking this, which I took to mean you didn't get that it was a rhetorical question. Of course, you could be trolling and taking literally what I meant rhetorically, but I dont' know you. It was pretty clear to me you and the other posters were taking me literally, and if I am wrong I apologize.

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BaronJuJu wrote:

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Look for the record and before anyone else posts a kneejerk flame.

I am not actually asking Wes to step down.

I think Wes is a kickash coro.
I think Caylin was a kickash coro.
I think all our coros have been kickash, but...

It made no difference.

My point is why bother with a coro if it makes no difference?

This isn't a statement about Wes' job performance in particular, but the reality of its futility, which is to say, no matter how good a job he does it doesn't make any difference, so I asked the rhetorical question why bother to have a coro at all.

For those who don't know what a rhetorical question is:

A rhetorical question is usually defined as any question asked for a purpose other than to obtain the information the question asks. For example, "Why are you so stupid?" is likely to be a statement regarding one's opinion of the person addressed rather than a genuine request to know. Similarly, when someone responds to a tragic event by saying, "Why me, God?!" it is more likely to be an accusation or an expression of feeling than a realistic request for information.


Ok, I hope this clears things up.

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LOL....I think you need to unwind and relax a bit child. I certainly do know what a rhetorical question is.

My point which you completely overlooked in hurried attempt at a silly retort to what you thought was an insult thrown you was that if you think that it does no good no matter what we do, say or who the correspondant...

Why are you still in here posting?

If you give up, then move along.

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I think he is expressing despair.

I think he DOESN'T want to give up and is looking for hope.

I think many (if not most) of usare, Baron.

A problem I could see with the 'Wes resigning and nobody replacing him until we get what we want!' tactic is that we won't be represented anymore, at ALL. As 'useless' as some feel that representation to be (no fault of Wes or Caylin or any other cor) , to basically remove ourselves from the table that way would make things worse. You know the saying about squeaky wheels. To suddenly be absent from the C-forum could mean us getting even LESS communication and fixes and attention than we are getting now.

Altough I am fairly sure TH and his team would find a new Smuggler corr, no matter how many passionate 'DON'T APPLY' threads we see inondating the board. And far from sure that a corr found that way would do as good a job as Wes do. I can almost see the community tearing the new corr apart for lacking solidarity and daring to apply. Making for an even weaker more divided community. Not something I wish to see happen. lol

Only my opinion of course.

Message Edited by LaughingWolf on 10-18-2005 12:14 AM

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LaughingWolf wrote:

To suddenly be absent from the C-forum could mean us getting even LESS communication and fixes and attention than we are getting now.

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Lets see.....nothing from nothing......carry the nothing......divide by nothing......

Message Edited by Mystique2000uk on 10-18-2005 03:32 PM

I understand the despair the OP has and why he wrote it, I sometimes wonder why SOE keeps the Correspondent Charade up anyways (nothing against any correspondent but my problem with how SOE uses you).

Correspondents gather feedback from the communities, a very time-consuming and tough job. They test things, the work on ideas, they aggregate community input and put it in a reasonable and presentable form.

How it should be:
Corr A gathers feedback from community regarding issue I. He then relays his document to the Developers D and the Community C. After D read the docs they start discussing with A about the issue, A then gives D's questions to C or asks C D's questions. So people can work together and A is the focus-lense for both involved parties.

How it is:
Corr A gathers feedback from community regarding issue I. He then relays his document to the Community C and Tiggs.
A while later some Hotfix is published and cause of balance issues nerfed later.


Wes is doing a very good job and does all he can for us (I think I would have lost my patience somewhere along the way) but the worst thing about this thread is that it reminded me how SOE throws all the work the Corrs give them for free in the trashcan.