Smuggler Archive
Thread: Well guys.. we get shafted again..
Shaan'ti Hokai (Kauri) 
TashunkaSapa wrote:
Eavik wrote:
Same thing with slicing components. Yes, we were complaining about the drop rates of those...what the hell good does it do us when they drop more from Bounty Hunter only missions? We still have to rely on other people to obtain the tools we need to do our job.
I don't know about you, but as a Bounty Hunter, I need my weapons and armor sliced. Most smugglers will ask you to provide your own components unless you want to pay a high premium. Saying that it's stupid for smuggling components to drop for anyone but Smugglers would be like saying it's stupid for Krayt tissues to drop for anyone but Weaponsmiths.
So tellme then... what kind of loot DO you want the marks to drop? Some people are never satisfied - would you rather go back to the way it was?
First off... Loot... i want them to drop NO slicingLoot.. . A loot based slicing system is stupid. IMO
Second off.. i dont think that you need to tell anyone how to play his character. Would you care to ask, you might find out that alot of the Smuggler were or still are BH. Sorry, but thats nothin special here.
And Number 3..
Dude.. i dont know what dope you are smoking, but you better put it aside. But you have no reason to start flaming or start some fancy name calling. If i remember correctly it was you who started it
lets see..
Fernas wrote:
yes Tashunka, that's nice. not telling me anything i don't know.
I must be, though you're not hearing it. If you "already knew" that nothing you say would get the Dev's attention, you'd shut up already.
You're unimportant to them, despite what Mister Rogers always told you. You can shout all you want and they won't care, hell you can quit and they won't care. This forum isn't for us to talk to them - it's for us to talk to each other. They drop in when they damn well please, say something irrelevant/inaccurate/inconsiderate and flit away again. This somehow gives people like you the impression that you're being heard.
You're a fool - someone as dense as you shouldn't patronize others.
SmugglerPie wrote:
SmugglerPie wrote:
Tashunka, please just shut up.
He's got every right to post whatever he wants here, as long as he does it within the EULA, and shouldn't have to endure childish name-calling.
Likewise, I have every right to do the same, without having to endure patronizing replies.
You step up to me, expect return fire. I didn't start flaming, I simply stated my position - someone else felt that it was their place to tell me what I could and couldn't discuss. Sorry, there's a word for people who are arbiters of applicability - and it's not "fellow forum posters".
You worry about your own posts, OK? We'll get along just fine.
Message Edited by Thomen on 07-29-2005 09:39 PM
It's funny, because at least with Krayt Tissues (even though only AS can really put use to them,) other people can loot them and make a little money. BHs are just about getting a stranglehold on the slicing market with this patch going to Live, because technically, they're the only people that can loot them on a fairly regular basis. How is that fair to Smugglers that DON'T have MBH in their template? How is that fair to ANYONE wanting a weapon slice that doesn't have BH? Yes, you're happy as a lark that this patch is going live, and there are a ton of other Smugglers that wouldn't mind it either...if the loot tables were tweaked to even give us a marginally better chance to loot that stuff off of the regular NPCs that we hunt down for these parts. However, that's not the case, which is why I believe many of us are a little more than miffed at this.
Then again, I suppose we should all pretty much be complacent at this point, now that the game is pretty much BH vs. Jedi.
MISTagent01 wrote:
So Shaan'ti, you're saying it's cool for something to be looted on a regular basis from a high end, BH-only mark...while everyone else has to spend hours in space waiting for a really rare and random loot drop? That's what I think people are saying by the "drop more" statement.
That's a topic for another forum - the problem isn't how frequently they drop from Bounty Hunters. Yersm I agree that they don't drop frequently enough elsewhere - but the Smuggler forum is that way - - -> > 
I just don't see the point in complaining when we finally get some overdue love.
TashunkaSapa wrote:
Eavik wrote:
Same thing with slicing components. Yes, we were complaining about the drop rates of those...what the hell good does it do us when they drop more from Bounty Hunter only missions? We still have to rely on other people to obtain the tools we need to do our job.
I don't know about you, but as a Bounty Hunter, I need my weapons and armor sliced. Most smugglers will ask you to provide your own components unless you want to pay a high premium. Saying that it's stupid for smuggling components to drop for anyone but Smugglers would be like saying it's stupid for Krayt tissues to drop for anyone but Weaponsmiths.
Point being, slicing drops are just asuseful for the people who get them as they are for those who actually use them. I happen to be a Smuggler as well - believe me, I don't need to buy components from other people to slice my own gear, but if someone wants a slice involving an Illegal Core Booster, they'd better bring their own or expect to pay a LOT for one of mine.
So tellme then... what kind of loot DO you want the marks to drop? Some people are never satisfied - would you rather go back to the way it was?
I'm not saying it's stupid for smuggling components to drop for anybody but smugglers. I'm saying it's stupid for smuggling components to drop for anybody. Period. Smuggling components should be crafted - or ideally, rewarded for smuggling missions.
Eavik wrote:
I'm not saying it's stupid for smuggling components to drop for anybody but smugglers. I'm saying it's stupid for smuggling components to drop for anybody. Period. Smuggling components should be crafted - or ideally, rewarded for smuggling missions.However, if they are going to drop as loot - then it doesn't make much bloody sense to have them drop in missions that smugglers aren't allowed to participate in
Oh come on - it makes perfect sense for them to drop from Bounty Hunter marks - they are Underworld content, illegal items you use to illegally modify your weapons, and there is nothing wrong for them to have a chance to drop from criminals which are, well, 99% of the BH marks. If anything, that's the most appropriate loot drop I've ever seen in SWG.
The problem isn't that they are dropping from BH marks, the problems are a) that they drop from Krayts and such which is completely silly, b) that they aren't a reward or an optional item you can "keep for yourself" for Smuggler missions which don't exist, and c) that they can't be made in an illegal weapons lab of some kind.
Message Edited by riotcontrol on 07-30-2005 01:25 AM
Tiggs wrote:
Chemistrius wrote:
Honestly, this should come as NO surprise to any of you.
SOE has no respect for you as customers, never has and likely never will. For them to even think that they do is an insult to our intelligence.
The entire team cares very much about you the customers and the game. The game is constantly evolving and we need to focus our energy on bug fixes and making the game more fun for a wider audience. That includes the present audience in that. We want to have more players for you to play with and I am sure you want that also. With this comes reducing the scope of our publishes so that we can make sure that publishes are cleaner. This doesn't mean that there won't be changes to professions or other content, it just means that bigger things are pushed out and given the time to be worked on that they deserve.
Tiggs, you're digging yourself into a hole here. You're in the Smuggler forum, a group of people of this profession who have been pushed out and forgotten for over two years. Now you're coming in and saying "sorry, we have more important things to do then mess with you Smugglers". That's not a bright thing to do. Almost all of us here are at our wit's end with the delays of the Smuggler revamp, crappy "fixes" and changes that are supposed to enhance our profession but simply furthur break it (see slicing).
The Devs have had two years to help us out, yet we've gotten zero love in all this time. Though I imagine if Smugglers ran around waving colored lightsticks and shooting lightning out of our fingers we'd be getting constant attention.
The profession is broken, pure and simple. We're tired of being ignored and pretty much just plain insulted. This has been going on far too long.
You may care about your customers, but you must mean only the customers who are Jedi and keep their mouths shut, right? Can't you guys see we've been oh so patient all this time, and the only thing we get in return in more and more grief. The Devs haven't even appologized once for the lack of attention to Smugglers, not once! And the whole "we're taking this much time so we can make the revamp as good as it can be" excuse doesn't work anymore.
The Devs need to get off their butt, get some work on Smuggler done, enhance (not break, enhance) the profession, put some other things asside that haven't been broken for as long as Smuggler, and get it done! The Devs here are horrible procrastinators, always saying "we'll do it tomorrow", and when tomorrow comes around they say they'll do it the next day.
Despite all this crap we've been given, the Smuggler community continues to stay strong. Heh, talk about loyalty to a profession.
We love our profession, and most of us are going to stuck with it through hell or high water. But we're getting sick of the lack of attention.
So my post may be a few days late... but oh well.
Message Edited by Zeon_Zaku on 07-29-2005 04:27 PM
Zeon_Zaku wrote:
Tiggs wrote:
Chemistrius wrote:
Honestly, this should come as NO surprise to any of you.
SOE has no respect for you as customers, never has and likely never will. For them to even think that they do is an insult to our intelligence.
The entire team cares very much about you the customers and the game. The game is constantly evolving and we need to focus our energy on bug fixes and making the game more fun for a wider audience. That includes the present audience in that. We want to have more players for you to play with and I am sure you want that also. With this comes reducing the scope of our publishes so that we can make sure that publishes are cleaner. This doesn't mean that there won't be changes to professions or other content, it just means that bigger things are pushed out and given the time to be worked on that they deserve.
Tiggs, you're digging yourself into a hole here. You're in the Smuggler forum, a group of people of this profession who have been pushed out and forgotten for over two years. Now you're coming in and saying "sorry, we have more important things to do then mess with you Smugglers". That's not a bright thing to do. Almost all of us here are at our wit's end with the delays of the Smuggler revamp, crappy "fixes" and changes that are supposed to enhance our profession but simply furthur break it (see slicing).
The Devs have had two years to help us out, yet we've gotten zero love in all this time. Though I imagine if Smugglers ran around waving colored lightsticks and shooting lightning out of our fingers we'd be getting constant attention.
The profession is broken, pure and simple. We're tired of being ignored and pretty much just plain insulted. This has been going on far too long.
You may care about your customers, but you must mean only the customers who are Jedi and keep their mouths shut, right? Can't you guys see we've been oh so patient all this time, and the only thing we get in return in more and more grief. The Devs haven't even appologized once for the lack of attention to Smugglers, not once! And the whole "we're taking this much time so we can make the revamp as good as it can be" excuse doesn't work anymore.
The Devs need to get off their butt, get some work on Smuggler done, enhance (not break, enhance) the profession, put some other things asside that haven't been broken for as long as Smuggler, and get it done! The Devs here are horrible procrastinators, always saying "we'll do it tomorrow", and when tomorrow comes around they say they'll do it the next day.
Despite all this crap we've been given, the Smuggler community continues to stay strong. Heh, talk about loyalty to a profession.
We love our profession, and most of us are going to stuck with it through hell or high water. But we're getting sick of the lack of attention.
So my post may be a few days late... but oh well.
Message Edited by Zeon_Zaku on 07-29-2005 04:27 PM
Well put and less harsh as i did 
She also might forget that most of the Smugglers arent Teenies with Glowsticks. Fancy wording and twisting doesnt dig it here. I hope she got the message.
riotcontrol wrote:
Oh come on - it makes perfect sense for them to drop from Bounty Hunter marks - they are Underworld content, illegal items you use to illegally modify your weapons, and there is nothing wrong for them to have a chance to drop from criminals which are, well, 99% of the BH marks. If anything, that's the most appropriate loot drop I've ever seen in SWG.
QFE.
I agree. It also bears mentioning that every Smuggler has at least 158 points to spend on other skills - they're only excluded from BH missions if they don't choose BH as their second main profession. The same way I'm excluded from doing the force Sensitive crafting quests because I don't have Artisan...
TashunkaSapa wrote:
SmugglerPie wrote:
Tashunka, please just shut up.
He's got every right to post whatever he wants here, as long as he does it within the EULA, and shouldn't have to endure childish name-calling.
Likewise, I have every right to do the same, without having to endure patronizing replies.
You step up to me, expect return fire. I didn't start flaming, I simply stated my position - someone else felt that it was their place to tell me what I could and couldn't discuss. Sorry, there's a word for people who are arbiters of applicability - and it's not "fellow forum posters".
You worry about your own posts, OK? We'll get along just fine.
Message Edited by SmugglinZane on 07-29-2005 11:22 PM
I don't take kindly to being patronized - and anyone who thinks "That's nice, tell me something I don't know" wasn't patronizing needs to look it up.
My concerns were valid and I took the time to explain why I felt the way I did. I supported my statements with evidence that is a matter of public record. If someone wants to blow that off with "that's nice" and then try and tell me what I can and cannot talk about, then it's personal.
And then if someone wants to tell me to shut up while defending someone else's "right" to say what he wishes... well the nicest words I can apply there are "illogical" and "hypocrite". So many people are always ready to defend others' right to speak, as long as they're saying what the person wants to hear.
I'll recap my ORIGINAL response for those who couldn't retain it through all this: Yes, SWG has more than its share of bugs, misplaced priorities and inattentive developers, but let's not pretend for a moment that WoW is any better. It's got all that plus unstable servers and totalitarian "community liaisons". That's why I quit WoW and came back here. If my experience is irrelevant to the issue, blast the person who first made the stupid claim that WoW is so much better, not me for disproving it.
Message Edited by TashunkaSapa on 07-30-2005 02:22 AM