Smuggler Archive
Thread: Something's afoot!
FrankLee
Fri Mar 11, 2005 9:22 pm
#170
Oracle74 wrote:
SWG-Goliath wrote:
Arcan wrote:So they toss a bone again one month after a nerf, seems SOE standard practice so far.Afraid I have to agree with the *Yawn* post.After so long waiting, I just cannot get worked up about hints anymore.i guess i can see what you mean as a player, but also looking at it as a player and considering how fast SOE posted and then deleivered on something like 3 great publishes since january 2005, i would tend to be less cynical and more positive. but thats just me*sneeks back into the corospondents forum*Wow. I'll forgive you and assume you don't know the history here or you wouldn't have posted something like that. The only thing we want to hear is "here's the info on the smuggler revamp, and it will be here in 6 weeks." SOE has done nothing to earn our trust and enough to demolish it so that no one who's been through it would be anything but cynical.If you truly understood how we'd been jerked around, I honestly don't think you would have posted that.
Hey, let's cut the man some slack here.
If he fails to deliver though, we /lowblow him and spam /lastditch. Nothing personal, but they're the only thing about the class that functions as advertised.
icutyou
Fri Mar 11, 2005 9:22 pm
#171
SWG-Goliath wrote:
<i guess i can see what you mean as a player, but also looking at it as a player and considering how fast SOE posted and then deleivered on something like 3 great publishes since january 2005, i would tend to be less cynical and more positive. but thats just me*sneeks back into the corospondents forum*
It can be really hard not to be cynical when there's still so many issues that have been around since launch that still have yet to be fixed. I wish a focus thread could be made where all players can list their biggest ongoing issues, then a publish can be devoted to fixing them all. THAT would restore a BUTTLOAD of faith for me
TomoRainer
Fri Mar 11, 2005 10:00 pm
#172
In case you guys don't know this, because from the way you're talking it kind of sounds this way, Goliath is an artist. He doesn't have any control over the content or speed of publishes. He does make some really awesome art, though, such as the yacht.
Furthermore, the recent speed and quality of publishes DOES give some hope for a relatively fast and competent implementation of these changes. Do I think it will be? Hail if I know, I've been a smuggler since a couple weeks after launch, so I know just a bit about what we've been through, but things do seem different now.
I don't know how all this will play out. But I do know the concept documents are pretty damn amazing. At the same time, if they screw it up this time, I'll be quitting, I've had enough.
I'm not understanding the hostility here.
Furthermore, the recent speed and quality of publishes DOES give some hope for a relatively fast and competent implementation of these changes. Do I think it will be? Hail if I know, I've been a smuggler since a couple weeks after launch, so I know just a bit about what we've been through, but things do seem different now.
I don't know how all this will play out. But I do know the concept documents are pretty damn amazing. At the same time, if they screw it up this time, I'll be quitting, I've had enough.
I'm not understanding the hostility here.
DrevenStrobe
Fri Mar 11, 2005 10:04 pm
#173
Psst....
Guys...lets not run Goliath off...he's on our side. He's a Smuggler...just like the rest of us. Just because he has a red name doesn't make him any different from me, Yim, Geevo, or anybody else. He's an artist and has no control over the code for this new stuff or what goes in. So, treat him like any other Smuggler.
And, to say he doesn't know our history is pushing it a little bit...I'd be willing to wager that he's well versed on our history.
NickHeel
Fri Mar 11, 2005 10:10 pm
#174
DrevenStrobe wrote:
Dangit Tomo...you beat me to it...
You're getting slower with age. Time to hang it up, old man!
Now give me your "Smuggler Community Leader" badge
DrevenStrobe
Fri Mar 11, 2005 10:12 pm
#175
NickHeel wrote:
DrevenStrobe wrote:
Dangit Tomo...you beat me to it...
You're getting slower with age. Time to hang it up, old man!
Now give me your "Smuggler Community Leader" badge
The really scary part about that post is my birthday is Sunday...
And NO...you can't have my badge...you have your own...
SpinningCloud
Fri Mar 11, 2005 10:13 pm
#176
Yeah, I'm not interested in running him off...again.
It is time to welcome any red name openly and civily here.
Today we're not being ignored, let's see if it lasts this time OK?
I'll be one of the first pounding my virtual fist in this forum if they disappear on us again but for now I'm willing to forget about the past two years and move forward WITH them...as long as it is together in this effort.
TomoRainer
Fri Mar 11, 2005 10:21 pm
#177
DrevenStrobe wrote:Dangit Tomo...you beat me to it...
Your powers are weak, old man.
I'm with Spinning on this one. I don't want a hostile relationship with the devs. I want to work with them to make this profession as amazing as it deserves to be. If they're willing to put in the work and communication it'll take to do that this time around, I'll be willing to act in good faith to do everything I can to help out.
If they're not willing to do that.. well, good luck to them and their game, because I won't be here anymore.
Osuss
Fri Mar 11, 2005 10:34 pm
#178
Werd......
JWing wrote:
SWG-Goliath wrote:
Arcan wrote:
So they toss a bone again one month after a nerf, seems SOE standard practice so far.
Afraid I have to agree with the *Yawn* post.
After so long waiting, I just cannot get worked up about hints anymore.
i guess i can see what you mean as a player, but also looking at it as a player and considering how fast SOE posted and then deleivered on something like 3 great publishes since january 2005, i would tend to be less cynical and more positive. but thats just me
*sneeks back into the corospondents forum*
Hmmmmm sounds like some one who HASN't been waiting for almost 2 years on broken promises
But, thats just me
Message Edited by JWing on 03-11-2005 08:53 PM
WookieBounty
Sat Mar 12, 2005 12:03 am
#179
NickHeel wrote:
DrevenStrobe wrote:Dangit Tomo...you beat me to it...You're getting slower with age. Time to hang it up, old man!
Now give me your "Smuggler Community Leader" badge
you foon...badges??? we don't need no stinkin' badges!!!
woot just noticed I made teh wing commander!! bow down
Message Edited by WookieBounty on 03-12-2005 01:03 AM
KyleKnox
Sat Mar 12, 2005 12:08 am
#180
SWG-Goliath wrote:
Arcan wrote:
So they toss a bone again one month after a nerf, seems SOE standard practice so far.
Afraid I have to agree with the *Yawn* post.
After so long waiting, I just cannot get worked up about hints anymore.
i guess i can see what you mean as a player, but also looking at it as a player and considering how fast SOE posted and then deleivered on something like 3 great publishes since january 2005, i would tend to be less cynical and more positive. but thats just me
*sneeks back into the corospondents forum*
3 great publishes? Great?
What game are you playing. THis game was released a year too early and suffered from 1.5 years of poor planning and inadequate development resources. The game is languishing under broken professions and broken combat and the patches that were made, like to jedi WHOLELY ignored community feedback. For example the disaster that is the FRS, where SOE is sanctioning exploiting. It is unforgiveable and inexcusable.
SOE has repeatedly ignored its player base and chose priorities of short term revenue generation OVER player experience. So please, we know SOE's playbook, we have seen it over and over.
Pushing the CURB back repeatedly until now it coincides with an EpIII publicity push to again try and make SOE more money....please. More of the same.
Akkori
Sat Mar 12, 2005 12:55 am
#181
Goliath, I just dont think you can look at it subjectively. You have immediate access to anythign you want to know, just by poking your head around the corner, or picking up a phone. You get the inside scoop, so therefore you do not suffer the effects of the empty void that is the communication from the Devs toward us. You give us info, some of us flame. You give us nothing, we ALL flame. I would rather you guys add a sig that says, in effect...
"Nothing said in the post above is set in stone unless it is in the form of a Patch Note or Announcement! No dates are assured, no features are guarnateed, and no detail is fixed! Nothing I say expresses Policy or Direction for the Game! Nothing I say is official until it comes under a thread or Title indicating it is!"
Armed with this disclaimer now attached to every single postDev's make,they can start to communicate with us again, and will have solid ammunition against anyone who complains that something did or did not happen asthey said it would.
I too am really liking the direction of the game. I think that after a year and a half, we are finally, truly, on the upward path. But it cannot be forgotten that a LOT of us have been subjected to a lot of BAD decisions (jedi, holocrons, player cities), poor development (Smuggler, SL, Ranger, Politician, all Entertainers), imbalances (all the melee profs, Rifles, CM, CH, AFK play, cross-server lot swaps), and maginally usful profs (DE, BE, Politician).
I thik that IF the Devs can keep this up for a year solid...IF they can finally fix the CORE GAME and bugs that have been here for 18 months... then the Dark Ages will be a distant memory. Until that time, we are all justified in our criticism of the past.
Communicate, produce something other than words, communicate, engage the CS system more effectively, communicate, and communicate!
Ramsey_Lanclo
Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:28 am
#182
Gotta pipe in here... I know I'm not known on the forums, but I lurk like a mofo and I've been a smuggler since a couple weeks after launch. So there's my credentials - Take 'em or leave 'em.
Yes. I too have been PO'd that we have been pushed back time and time again... It sucks, it's stupid, and it shouldn't have happened.
From what I've been seeing lately, SOE has figured this out... On a massive scale. Look at what they're implementing in this game? Yes. It hasn't all been perfect. I think those complaining the loudest might not understand the complexity in programming a game like this. Have we gotten the shaft in the past? Sure. But I actually believe that their working on this in the background.
Also, due to our history, I don't think they gave us these documents without having something cooking back there. Do I expect this to happen in the next publish? No. Not a shot. But I expect they've heard our complaints about broken promises and aren't going to tell us a bunch of hooey that isn't going to happen. ("Hooey"? - Ay-ya).
I'm looking forward to hearing more on our other trees, I really hope some of what GreenMarine originally talked about can make it into the game (mainly, IMHO, look at our prerequisites... I loved when GreenMarine thought we should pick any melee weapon and any ranged weapon... Hell, I'd even go for business like in beta - But I'd love a little more slack there... Triple-Master is really all I can do that's worth anything... Okay... I'm rambling).
At any rate... lay off 'em. Not only Goliath, but the rest as well. Yes, they've shafted us before... I suspect they've learned from our bitching and won't do it again.
And I like the past few publishes.
Now I'm logging back in to find more gambling table schematics... Can't build my casino without 'em.
-Ramsey Lanclo, Bria
Yes. I too have been PO'd that we have been pushed back time and time again... It sucks, it's stupid, and it shouldn't have happened.
From what I've been seeing lately, SOE has figured this out... On a massive scale. Look at what they're implementing in this game? Yes. It hasn't all been perfect. I think those complaining the loudest might not understand the complexity in programming a game like this. Have we gotten the shaft in the past? Sure. But I actually believe that their working on this in the background.
Also, due to our history, I don't think they gave us these documents without having something cooking back there. Do I expect this to happen in the next publish? No. Not a shot. But I expect they've heard our complaints about broken promises and aren't going to tell us a bunch of hooey that isn't going to happen. ("Hooey"? - Ay-ya).
I'm looking forward to hearing more on our other trees, I really hope some of what GreenMarine originally talked about can make it into the game (mainly, IMHO, look at our prerequisites... I loved when GreenMarine thought we should pick any melee weapon and any ranged weapon... Hell, I'd even go for business like in beta - But I'd love a little more slack there... Triple-Master is really all I can do that's worth anything... Okay... I'm rambling).
At any rate... lay off 'em. Not only Goliath, but the rest as well. Yes, they've shafted us before... I suspect they've learned from our bitching and won't do it again.
And I like the past few publishes.
Now I'm logging back in to find more gambling table schematics... Can't build my casino without 'em.
-Ramsey Lanclo, Bria