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Thread: Please fix fiegn death...

NikolaTesla
Thu Aug 26, 2004 10:16 am
#1

Why is it that you can keep shooting someone that is feigned, but you can not shoot a normal corpse? You can't say that you just want to "make sure they are dead"because otherwise you could grief a normal corpse until it cloned or was revived.



Oclemosh - Intrepid
NikolaTesla
Thu Aug 26, 2004 10:17 am
#2

Also, what is with the feign icon by your name during the duel? Why would anyone wear a sticker that says "I am pretending to be dead?"



Oclemosh - Intrepid
yimaz
Thu Aug 26, 2004 10:30 am
#3






NikolaTesla wrote:

Why is it that you can keep shooting someone that is feigned, but you can not shoot a normal corpse? You can't say that you just want to "make sure they are dead"because otherwise you could grief a normal corpse until it cloned or was revived.






FD is not broken it is working the way it was meant to.There are a ton of posts on this subject, please dig back a few pages for detales, allthe answers you seekare in the sand of this message boards time.



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DigiDante
Thu Aug 26, 2004 11:02 am
#4

The way FD works now is proper. The move was never meant to be a PVP tactic. Using FD in PVP is basically you signing the dotted lines saying "Black Bar Me"



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chown2
Thu Aug 26, 2004 11:05 am
#5

I'm not sure if I'd say it's working as intended in PvE. Critters reaggroing from 200m away seems a bit excessive.




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DigiDante
Thu Aug 26, 2004 11:21 am
#6

That is how they fixed it.

They return to spawn point after you go feign, if you feign 200m away because you ran that far... so be it.

People use to be able to feign after laying dots, stand up and walk away without any consequince.



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Sheeana Secundus - Respec Jedi - Elder Carbineer @ heart.
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Everytime a Rollback or Additional server thread is spawned SOE murders a kitten. Please... think of the kittens and stop this erradication.
NikolaTesla
Thu Aug 26, 2004 11:46 am
#7

You are wrong, it is NOT working right. Here is what should happen in pvp (in PVE, reaggroing should start fresh):


1. You feign death and appear to be a normal corpse and battle is ended and there is no indication that you feigned if you timed it right. *Don't use it when HAM is full!*

2. Now, here is the fun part. Any medic can use the radial menu on your corpse to "Check for vital signs" If they do, you will recieve a mesage that states *A medical practicioner is checking you for signs of life! You have 10 seconds to react!*

3. At this point your best option is to get up, use appropriate spice/food and burst run out of there because after the timer, you will standup and re-engage. (This is only for overt battle. In a duel, it should just end the duel because normally, you can just type /endduel)


Important! The checking for vital signs CANNOT be something that can be done in a macro! It has to require the minial amount of work via radial menu or everyone will have a macro to do it automatically!



Oclemosh - Intrepid
Planeseeker
Thu Aug 26, 2004 11:56 am
#8






NikolaTesla wrote:

You are wrong, it is NOT working right. Here is what should happen in pvp (in PVE, reaggroing should start fresh):


1. You feign death and appear to be a normal corpse and battle is ended and there is no indication that you feigned if you timed it right. *Don't use it when HAM is full!*

2. Now, here is the fun part. Any medic can use the radial menu on your corpse to "Check for vital signs" If they do, you will recieve a mesage that states *A medical practicioner is checking you for signs of life! You have 10 seconds to react!*

3. At this point your best option is to get up, use appropriate spice/food and burst run out of there because after the timer, you will standup and re-engage. (This is only for overt battle. In a duel, it should just end the duel because normally, you can just type /endduel)


Important! The checking for vital signs CANNOT be something that can be done in a macro! It has to require the minial amount of work via radial menu or everyone will have a macro to do it automatically!





That is a pretty bold statement. IMHO, you should probably reword that. Smugglers are a fairly patient lot, but coming right out and telling someone that they are wrong...well...just opens yourself up to flaming/derision/etc.


Feign death may not be working how you feel it should, and I don't totally disagree with you, but I am not so foolish as to tell someone they are wrong because of it. I think FD should be reworked, but I haven't really considered how to make it viable in PvP as I don't PvP very often. I like the idea of having a medic/doctor being able to tell if we are "faking it" but I don't think your idea is the only viable idea...or the best...Just my 2 cents.


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Scoooter
Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:14 pm
#9






yimaz wrote:





ZarrnOrion wrote:





yimaz wrote:


FD is not broken it is working the way it was meant to.There are a ton of posts on this subject, please dig back a few pages for detales, allthe answers you seekare in the sand of this message boards time.





Wrong.






DigiDante wrote:
The way FD works now is proper. The move was never meant to be a PVP tactic. Using FD in PVP is basically you signing the dotted lines saying "Black Bar Me"





...and wrong.



Why do you guys have to lie to the kid?


Feign Death IS broken, even GreenMarine has stated thusly. We were never meant to be targetable when we feign.


It. Is. A. Bug.


It has been since beta 3.


-Phoenix.






If its been a bug since beta 3 thenit may stand to reason that it is not a bug at all.

I would ease up on the wrongs after all it would seem that no one really knows for sure.







Well I dont know if its a bug or not, seems to me it is...but I will see how this washes out


And Yimaz, people could keep vendors and use them after dropping the skill since launch and the devs came out and said that was a bug.


It seems year long bugs are possible lol






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DigiDante
Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:23 pm
#10

I don't remember the post, but I believe it was JustG that stated feign death is not intended to be a PVP move.

Message Edited by DigiDante on 08-26-2004 02:24 PM



Selusa Secundus - Elder Smuggler - September 2003.
Sheeana Secundus - Respec Jedi - Elder Carbineer @ heart.
Raylonis Del'Rathin - Elder Chef, Dancer - Retired / Canceled July 2005.
Leader of the fallen Guild, Veil of Silence.

Without the past, the future would never happen.
Believes in a better future for SWG.
Everytime a Rollback or Additional server thread is spawned SOE murders a kitten. Please... think of the kittens and stop this erradication.
NikolaTesla
Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:00 am
#11

Well, honestly, I did not even read the name of the person I was telling wrong to, hehe. I guess I am just a little bit tired of getting black barred and stuff, I don't think it was intended to work that way.



Oclemosh - Intrepid
ZarrnOrion
Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:04 am
#12





yimaz wrote:


FD is not broken it is working the way it was meant to.There are a ton of posts on this subject, please dig back a few pages for detales, allthe answers you seekare in the sand of this message boards time.




Wrong.






DigiDante wrote:
The way FD works now is proper. The move was never meant to be a PVP tactic. Using FD in PVP is basically you signing the dotted lines saying "Black Bar Me"




...and wrong.



Why do you guys have to lie to the kid?


Feign Death IS broken, even GreenMarine has stated thusly. We were never meant to be targetable when we feign.


It. Is. A. Bug.


It has been since beta 3.


-Phoenix.



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Phoenix Orion - Retired Smuggler, TKA, Scoundrel, Entrepreneur Forum Blue Glowie
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May the Force be with you all who continue to stay on.


yimaz
Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:13 am
#13




I'm lost on this whole thread.....

Message Edited by yimaz on 08-26-2004 03:15 PM



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