Smuggler Archive
Thread: Tiggs States: No Plans for Player to Player Smuggling
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NickHeel
Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:06 pm
#1
From #starwars after the Stratics House of Common Chat tonight:
<Smuggler_NickHeel> I'm so sad...I just wanted to know about Player to Player Smuggling contracts 
((((
<AnX> Tiggs, are you going to answer a few more questions in here for us pwease pease pwease?
* Bix has joined #starwars
<Zankin> yeah makes me wonder about ATAT's *winks*
<Luxar> i'm gonna sign up for swg again soon, anybody excited?!
<Sutarion> Congrats on the promotion Tiggs. Don't leave the forums now though
<Tiggs> nickheel no plans at this time
* NerfHerder321[Ahazi] is now known as Hobbie
<Nemesida> Still Nothing about CU Beta =(((
<Hobbie> ah thats better
<Smuggler_NickHeel> Tiggs:
((((<AnX> Tiggs, are you going to answer a few more questions in here for us pwease pease pwease?
* Bix has joined #starwars
<Zankin> yeah makes me wonder about ATAT's *winks*
<Luxar> i'm gonna sign up for swg again soon, anybody excited?!
<Sutarion> Congrats on the promotion Tiggs. Don't leave the forums now though
<Tiggs> nickheel no plans at this time
* NerfHerder321[Ahazi] is now known as Hobbie
<Nemesida> Still Nothing about CU Beta =(((
<Hobbie> ah thats better
<Smuggler_NickHeel> Tiggs:
/sadpanda Well, now we know.
Well, now we know.
JTGAlpha
Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:08 pm
#2
Yeah, that's why I'm not so psyched about this Revamp. We got like, half a revamp. No contraband rules. No meaningful smuggling. All that stuff Greenmarine was talking about...didn't happen. What we got was NPC missions and more complicated slicing.
Orcajum
Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:12 pm
#3
JTGAlpha wrote:Yeah, that's why I'm not so psyched about this Revamp. We got like, half a revamp. No contraband rules. No meaningful smuggling. All that stuff Greenmarine was talking about...didn't happen. What we got was NPC missions and more complicated slicing.
More like a "Slicer Revamp" than a "Smuggler Revamp" you say?
My only hope is they want to see how the NPC missions work out first before implimenting Player Smuggling. Which, i fear, will probably be another 2 years off at this rate.
NickHeel
Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:13 pm
#4
JTGAlpha wrote:
Yeah, that's why I'm not so psyched about this Revamp. We got like, half a revamp. No contraband rules. No meaningful smuggling. All that stuff Greenmarine was talking about...didn't happen. What we got was NPC missions and more complicated slicing.
Yup. And people got all excited over it because someone was looking in their general direction and not giving us what we asked for.
100% agreement, JTG. Ihardly got excited over those 2 documents and especiall the Slicing one. I'm a Smuggler, not a slicer or drug dealer.
As it stands, the only way we'll be able to interact with other players in this MMO with our profession will be through very non-Smuggler like means: Selling spice andslicing items.
I'm digging up that post by Solo4114 or EN where they talked about us being in our own PvE corner with no player interaction and stuff....was perfect for this.
HOTDOG
Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:15 pm
#5
NickHeel wrote:
From #starwars after the Stratics House of Common Chat tonight:
I'm so sad...I just wanted to know about Player to Player Smuggling contracts
Tiggs, are you going to answer a few more questions in here for us pwease pease pwease?
* Bix has joined #starwars
yeah makes me wonder about ATAT's *winks*
i'm gonna sign up for swg again soon, anybody excited?!
Congrats on the promotion Tiggs. Don't leave the forums now though
nickheel no plans at this time
* NerfHerder321[Ahazi] is now known as Hobbie
Still Nothing about CU Beta =(((
ah thats better
Tiggs:
/sadpanda
Don't let it kill ya guys-
I kinda figured Player to Player smuggling wouldn't go- and it's probably a good thing because it's a REALLY complicated issue and would take a very FOCUSED effort. One that I think would be hard to keep in the atmosphere of changing practically everything in the game.
I have hopes for PC BHs (but not high hopes)- for now I think the CU and what they have laid out is an EXCELLENT start for a revamp. The rest I expect in the UNDERWORLD EXPANSION.
nerfherder321
Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:16 pm
#6
why is my bit in there?
dissapointing though, very... nothign new...they repeated themsevles 4-5 times as well
Message Edited by nerfherder321 on 03-16-2005 04:18 PM
NickHeel
Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:19 pm
#7
Once again I state...I didn't know I had to buy an expansion to Smuggle.
HOTDOG wrote:
[snip]
I have hopes for PC BHs (but not high hopes)- for now I think the CU and what they have laid out is an EXCELLENT start for a revamp. The rest I expect in the UNDERWORLD EXPANSION.
riotcontrol
Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:19 pm
#8
I can't say 'I told you so' because I didn't, uhm, technically tell you so since I kind of held back my pessimistic comments until more info was released but... 
Looks like it's about time to stop wasting time with all the suggestions, revamp ideas and feedback since they'll just do their own thing anyway, somewhat like the new galactic vendor search system being 'pulled back for an internal revamp' and put on TC almost the same as it was before. Bah.
Looks like it's about time to stop wasting time with all the suggestions, revamp ideas and feedback since they'll just do their own thing anyway, somewhat like the new galactic vendor search system being 'pulled back for an internal revamp' and put on TC almost the same as it was before. Bah.
JTGAlpha
Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:24 pm
#9
We won't be slicing that much. But we'll make about the same money because slicing is going to be EXPENSIVE after all this time and trouble.
And because we're "hand grinding" all the spice, you won't be selling that much of it.
NickHeel
Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:40 pm
#10
"Our revamp is not going to be what we want. Accept that. It will be a minigame as I've always predicted. The odds of us getting a dynamic contraband and taxed goods system imposed on the rest of the player base are approximately 3720 to 1. And yes, I'm TELLING you the odds. Maybe we'll get revisions to our existing skills. Maybe we'll get (ooooooh....aaahhhhh) new spices. Maybe slicing will have experimentation mean something. Will any of it matter? We still won't be smuggling and everyone ELSE will. Imperials, droid owners, and now NPCs too.
The simple fact is the devs probably don't WANT this class in the game. At least not in any truly interactive form. They'd like us to stick around and RP our way through things rather than THEM doing their JOBS and giving us a truly developed profession. Why? Because it's easier and it keeps in line with the Star Wars amusement park they've developed here. "Look kids! There's Han Solo! See? He's 'smuggling' goods past those guards!" "Daddy, he's just pretending." "Shhh, I know, but isn't it fun to watch?"
That, I believe, is the dev vision for us. We're tourist attractions. We're the guys in the cartoon character suit who wander around "in character" while kids get their pictures taken with us and we sweat our sacks off inside the suit wondering if we'll ever get a real job or why we didn't go work somewhere else."
yimaz
Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:13 pm
#11
While Im bummed about player smuggler I got all excited about what was posted in those Doc's and not the hope of player smuggling.It was and is a good system all be it NPC smuggling and more smuggling then we have now. /shrug......
dlc3007
Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:38 pm
#12
I can't say that I'm surprised about no player-to-player smuggling. why? Not because I think that they're ignoring us or that "they" just want to make us miserable. It is the simple fact that, as Hotdog stated, it is a terribly complex issue (don't really agree with the underworld expansion theory, but I could be wrong).
I know that people have put lots of energy into providing possible ways to impliment p-to-p smuggling, but they all have one basic flaw in common: they require other players to be dependent on smugglers. Not interaction, not emersion, not mutual benefit -- dependency.
If the only way to get an uber-l33t weapon is to have part of it smuggled, if the only way to get uber-l33t buffs is for something to be smuggled, etc. etc. etc. then those professions can not function without us. Yeah, I think we ought to be important to the game, but not that important.
I'm sure that there is probably a suggestion out there that I didn't read that someone will say contradicts my theory, but I think if you look at the suggestions closely, this issue is still there. One profession can enhance another, but not control it. No, the examples above are not "enhancing" weaponsmiths. They need to make the best possible weapons and that would only happen through us in that example. And none of this is even beginning to touch the possible exploits of most of these systems.
Yes, there are other things that I have an issue with -- the useless unarmed requirement, not replacing the spice branch with something useful. Those are things that should be changed. Player-to-player smuggling, as much as we'd enjoy it, simply is not feasible -- at least not at this point in time. I just hope that the incredible wave of disappointment (and pouting in some cases) doesn't throw enough cold water on the proposed changes to stop them in their tracks.
Flame away... I'm just waiting for the 1-stars.
riotcontrol
Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:43 pm
#13
dlc3007 wrote:If the only way to get an uber-l33t weapon is to have part of it smuggled, if the only way to get uber-l33t buffs is for something to be smuggled, etc. etc. etc. then those professions can not function without us. Yeah, I think we ought to be important to the game, but not that important.
Why? I mean, it's not like you can get that uberl33t weapon crafted without a Weaponsmith or the uberl33t buff applied without a Doctor, can you?
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