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Thread: Slicing, from the other side of the fence (the worst side!)
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BloodMonk
Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:13 am
#1
Hey,
Don't know if any of you know me as I haven't been active on the smuggler board the last month....just wanted to talk to you guys about this....
For a very long time (over half the time I've been playing swg I'd say) I've been playing the infamous Triple Threat Template.
I like to PvP a lot, and really know the ins and outs of the template.....
About a week ago (after some nasty experiences PvP'ing solo and unbuffed) I decided I needed a challenge again....which ended up taking up M commando (0010 actually) and try to make it work...
To do this I had to totally drop TKM, and drop me precious master smuggler, and the slicing/spicing trees (I got loads of pistol speedtapes, so I kept DF....and ALL of my income comes from selling FP/perks.....Thanks Geevo for inspiring me 
)
)Now the problem is the following:
-to even be somewhat competitive with commando I need to get REALLY good weapons.....good weapons tend to be sliced.....
-commando weapons are consumables...and expensive....grenades of by far the worst in this (5 uses)
I know that during all my master smuggling time I never sliced publicly due to slicing being very underappreciated AND underpriced...
Now I'm on the other side of the fence.....paying 5k to 10k (which I considered a decent price) on a slice of a heavy consumable (appr. 30 uses) is kinda doable....but in 5 use grenades it's insane as the slicing cost is much higher than the cost of the grenades 
Now I've been trying to find a slicer (even someone with slicing 2 who need to xp) to does these grenade slices, even with me providing the gear....but I haven't had any luck
All the money I'm making selling FP is going into the day to day weapons of my new prof lol....
Just wondering what you guys think....and if you maybe have some ideas..
Regards
Sly
Message Edited by BloodMonk on 09-25-2004 07:42 AM
Syzygy-Gorath
Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:46 am
#2
All I can say is, that's why I'm a Master Smuggler/Master Commando. Might not be great with the pistols, but it makes using consumables (which I do, a lot) much cheaper. 
BloodMonk
Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:54 am
#3
mmm I hope I'm not forced to go back to master just for this though....I like pistols and have some really really nice ones....
And my whole PvP'ing strategy I'm working out is based on consumables and grenades lol
If any tempest slicer is reading this and wants to help me out I'll be eternally greatfull
Sly
fishbrains
Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:16 pm
#4
BloodMonk wrote:
mmm I hope I'm not forced to go back to master just for this though....I like pistols and have some really really nice ones....
And my whole PvP'ing strategy I'm working out is based on consumables and grenades lol
If any tempest slicer is reading this and wants to help me out I'll be eternally greatfull
Sly
Are there no other smugglers in your guild? If there are and they can't help you out then shame on them
DrevenStrobe
Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:53 pm
#5
I can honestly say that I've never been asked to slice grenades or other commando consumables...
I always figured the thinking on this was, since it's consumable, it wouldn't be worth getting it sliced.
In fact, I personally wouldn't want to slice these items because they ARE consumable.
Egowyn
Sat Sep 25, 2004 11:14 pm
#6
I've never had any one bring me grenades to slice and I've been slicing a long time....I've sliced consumables like rocket launchers and greanades before but mostly just for the xp while I was grinding up the branch any looted weapon was like pure joy.
But I can see your point 5k per slice is damn cheap for a permanant weapon mod but for a 5 use grenade if I ever got asked I'd likely drop the rate.
But I can see your point 5k per slice is damn cheap for a permanant weapon mod but for a 5 use grenade if I ever got asked I'd likely drop the rate.
Wabit
Sun Sep 26, 2004 2:21 am
#7
as MCommando/MSmuggler i slice all my own stuff... but i don't PvP and have always hated the way pistols are in the game...
as for slicing grenades, well i won't slice anything more than a couple items at a time for the general population... but it is fun launching a nice damaged sliced Rocket on turret (when it hits)...
any slice is better than no slice, which i see your willing to front someone working on slicing the stuff, but honestly now that the hologrind is over there aren't alot of ppl coming into the profession... i also think you'll find that commando isn't that great of a PvP prof (right now)...
AKPaladin
Sun Sep 26, 2004 3:50 am
#8
i was a master commando master smuggler for a while... i did slice most of my own grenades and hvy wpns if for no other reason other than "becuase i can" but honestly... i gave up on commando to be more proficient with my pistols... and to kinda fit the smuggler persona a bit better... (honestly when was the last time you saw han or lando walking around with a flamethrower?)
i guess my two credits would be... dont worry about getting grenades sliced... just get some that kick major rear to begin with
Syzygy-Gorath
Sun Sep 26, 2004 5:30 am
#9
Just remember, no matter how much rear they kick to begin with, they can kick up to 35% more with a good slice.
AKPaladin wrote:
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i guess my two credits would be... dont worry about getting grenades sliced... just get some that kick major rear to begin with
/hug 5K+ max rocketlauncher
sparkyluvbug
Sun Sep 26, 2004 6:43 am
#10
been a master commando a while.. part time smuggler.. 2,4,3,4... and I dont have any probs.. with my trusty flame thrower and a set of buffs I can make a few hundred K on dant killing critters, that buys me tons of goodies that I slice myself and have fun.... I don't understand why you would drop smuggler to gain commando though, just drop the rest for it.. but to each his own...
Sparky home from Iraq
BloodMonk
Sun Sep 26, 2004 7:01 am
#11
Well, my guild isn't very big (we're a very close knit group), and they just lost their only M smuggler....me
Yesterday I sold some FP to get another M smuggler to colonel and explained the situation to him...
He said he'd help me out, even for "a fair tip" I've decided to pay him full price for consumables...but he's ok with doing grenades cheap....
And it can make a world of difference if they are sliced or not I need 6k max damage grenades to take out Jedi moehahahaha
I need 6k max damage grenades to take out Jedi moehahahaha(I already got my hands on 19 pieces of +700 max damage acklay venom) take protons for example: about 3K max damage without loot, slice or pup... 3.7k with acklay venom, factor in a 30% damage slice and you're at 4.8K, add a 33% max damage pup...6.3k max damage grenade hita jedi with that and you'll do a maximum of 6.3/4*1.5= 2.35K! (minimum will like be appr. 1k).
hita jedi with that and you'll do a maximum of 6.3/4*1.5= 2.35K! (minimum will like be appr. 1k).Unsliced it'll be appr. 1.8k max, 800 minimum (though the minimum dam is just a guestimate)
On the commando part: I know it's a pretty broken prof, and most people tend suck in PvP with it...but the way I'm gonna play it is completely different from what each and every commando has told me....
For starters: all my grenades/heavy weapons HAR a and FT are being custom made to substantially increase the accuracy of the weapons.....AND it seems I'm the only aspiring commando who thinks it's best to stay OUT of melee range lol
This prof it still gonna suck up ALL my money though...
Sly
Wabit
Sun Sep 26, 2004 7:19 am
#12
just don't kill yourself with those wiked grenades (gotta love the blast radius)... just rememebr that jedi can't heal fire, they see a smuggler with a FT they run everytime... we're too hard to DB, and fire hurt ...
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Syzygy-Gorath
Sun Sep 26, 2004 7:45 am
#13
You aren't the only one…there just aren't many of us. Remember: flameSingle/flameCone aren't the only specials that work with the FT (I'm a big fan of overcharge2) and with accuracy-crafted consumables and snowcake those rockets can hurt from 64m out.
BloodMonk wrote:
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For starters: all my grenades/heavy weapons HAR a and FT are being custom made to substantially increase the accuracy of the weapons.....AND it seems I'm the only aspiring commando who thinks it's best to stay OUT of melee range lol
Plus with at least NSmuggler it doesn't hurt to have a crate or two of boombots on hand.
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