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Thread: Feign Death revisited

Mfusion
Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:14 pm
#1

How are you all dealing with the feign death "counter move"? And please tell me you don't buy it for a second.


A defense stacker invests points into a defensive template. A jedi is a jedi. What about people who choose something that interests them beyond the simple defense/damage mentality?


I'll tell you what: we go down in 3 hits. If we're lucky enough to pull off FD, someone walks over to us and uses a "counter move" to get us out of it. I'm tired of being a pinata...and the pinata professions need some really special moves to, ahem, BALANCE combat.



  • Commando/Smuggler v. Jedi: balanced? I think not.

  • Commando/Smuggler v. Pike/Swords/Fencer fotm that was supposed to be a thing of the past...balanced? I think not.

  • Commando/Smuggler v. ...you get the picture

Soon there will be twocookie cutter player types in the game: Jedi and Ris-wearing Melee Stacker. THEN you will see balance. 1 on 1 battles will last for 7 hours and 45 minutes and the rest of us can be crafters.


Bitter! Bitter I say!!!!



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RyFord
Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:41 pm
#2


As this is a multiplayer TEAM oriented game I just let my friends do the killing and I work the crowd with Area Concussions and Panics and LowBlows and Restraining Shots. I don't die that much either.


Your question isn't really about enjoying your profession it's more about making you uber enough to be anyone else.


I enjoy mine to the fullest



Nekroz Darksoul - J-Timberlake


Slaves of Wykyd


Mfusion
Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:49 pm
#3






RyFord wrote:


As this is a multiplayer TEAM oriented game I just let my friends do the killing and I work the crowd with Area Concussions and Panics and LowBlows and Restraining Shots. I don't die that much either.


Your question isn't really about enjoying your profession it's more about making you uber enough to be anyone else.


I enjoy mine to the fullest






I'll take this profession completely as is, but I want to know what the real story behind this FD "counter move" is.


I'm happy to be a support profession, but the truth is that when I'm marked as the area rooter, I got multiple jedi on me at the beginning of every fight. Again, I am fine with this theoretically...because of FD. But now FD is just another useless icon for your pvptoolbar.


Before the CU, someone who feigned could still be hit...set on fire, decayed, blackbarred, you name it. But you couldn't get them up. Now you can't be attacked, but someone just has to walk up to you and...heal you?







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RyFord
Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:02 pm
#4






Mfusion wrote:





RyFord wrote:


As this is a multiplayer TEAM oriented game I just let my friends do the killing and I work the crowd with Area Concussions and Panics and LowBlows and Restraining Shots. I don't die that much either.


Your question isn't really about enjoying your profession it's more about making you uber enough to be anyone else.


I enjoy mine to the fullest






I'll take this profession completely as is, but I want to know what the real story behind this FD "counter move" is.


I'm happy to be a support profession, but the truth is that when I'm marked as the area rooter, I got multiple jedi on me at the beginning of every fight. Again, I am fine with this theoretically...because of FD. But now FD is just another useless icon for your pvptoolbar.


Before the CU, someone who feigned could still be hit...set on fire, decayed, blackbarred, you name it. But you couldn't get them up. Now you can't be attacked, but someone just has to walk up to you and...heal you?










The feign Death move is HealState in the xxx4Healer line of Jedi. Not many have it.



As for you being attacked first, I am attacked first as well but my protection and my other Crowd Control mans protection is paramount to the success of the Squad so I assign people to Gguard me, then my partner and I use RL to concussion or panic each others attackers as well to keep people off us.





Nekroz Darksoul - J-Timberlake


Slaves of Wykyd


Mfusion
Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:37 pm
#5






RyFord wrote:





Mfusion wrote:





RyFord wrote:


As this is a multiplayer TEAM oriented game I just let my friends do the killing and I work the crowd with Area Concussions and Panics and LowBlows and Restraining Shots. I don't die that much either.


Your question isn't really about enjoying your profession it's more about making you uber enough to be anyone else.


I enjoy mine to the fullest






I'll take this profession completely as is, but I want to know what the real story behind this FD "counter move" is.


I'm happy to be a support profession, but the truth is that when I'm marked as the area rooter, I got multiple jedi on me at the beginning of every fight. Again, I am fine with this theoretically...because of FD. But now FD is just another useless icon for your pvptoolbar.


Before the CU, someone who feigned could still be hit...set on fire, decayed, blackbarred, you name it. But you couldn't get them up. Now you can't be attacked, but someone just has to walk up to you and...heal you?










The feign Death move is HealState in the xxx4Healer line of Jedi. Not many have it.



As for you being attacked first, I am attacked first as well but my protection and my other Crowd Control mans protection is paramount to the success of the Squad so I assign people to Gguard me, then my partner and I use RL to concussion or panic each others attackers as well to keep people off us.







Non Jedi are getting me out of FD.


Edit: there's a bigger picture I'm trying to address. "Heal State" isn't called "Nullify Feign Death" and I doubt that getting people out of FD is part of the move's description.


Smuggler is getting whittled down to nothing...we need unarmed and pistol xpfor a master profession that is good only for slicing, and maybe throwing a state or 2 on some people before getting ripped in 3 hits or less.


Message Edited by Mfusion on 09-18-2005 08:53 PM



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Stawei_Idow
Mon Sep 19, 2005 1:24 am
#6

I think I've missed something, can we no longer be DB'ed when we feign, but a state heal by a Jedi will counter FD?

(I have been gone for a bit, but I did try to read all the patch notes)




Bug fixes. Heh! Smuggling. Heh! A Jedi craves not these things.

My SWG Observations

If they stopped the expansions for one year and gave quality revamps to the professions that need it most, many people would resubscribe.
With all the resubs, and the new players, there would then be plenty of money to hire enough people to do 2-4 quality revamps per year plus 1-2 larger expansions per year and/or 2-4 smaller expansions per year, and not give the BigWigs a pay cut. (Possibly even an increase)

sas-quatch
Mon Sep 19, 2005 6:47 am
#7



RyFord wrote:
As this is a multiplayer TEAM oriented game I just let my friends do the killing and I work the crowd with Area Concussions and Panics and LowBlows and Restraining Shots. I don't die that much either.
Your question isn't really about enjoying your profession it's more about making you uber enough to be anyone else.
I enjoy mine to the fullest



QFE

i played this role untill i went jedi(minus tkm/smugg for fs grind)...then i loved it so much that i made my alt Msmug/Mcarbs/4xxx scout....mobile and the 50m range keeps me away from the jedi/melee and pisoleer/cm's hehe



Sas-quatch
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RyFord
Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:28 am
#8






sas-quatch wrote:





RyFord wrote:


As this is a multiplayer TEAM oriented game I just let my friends do the killing and I work the crowd with Area Concussions and Panics and LowBlows and Restraining Shots. I don't die that much either.


Your question isn't really about enjoying your profession it's more about making you uber enough to be anyone else.


I enjoy mine to the fullest





QFE

i played this role untill i went jedi(minus tkm/smugg for fs grind)...then i loved it so much that i made my alt Msmug/Mcarbs/4xxx scout....mobile and the 50m range keeps me away from the jedi/melee and pisoleer/cm's hehe




I am MC.MS.4xxxCM and the second CC guy is MC.MS.44x4PISTOLEER so he strafes intimidate and stopping shot and i handle concussions and roots, then we focus on single targets til the concussions break. If a lot are still standing i area panic.



Nekroz Darksoul - J-Timberlake


Slaves of Wykyd


Mfusion
Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:04 am
#9

It's nice that you guys are logrolling and all, but this thread is about FD.


I posted this to get a read on other people's experience with FD and it's supposed "counter moves", but apparantly no one has a problem with it, so I'm not going to continue banging my head against this wall.





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sas-quatch
Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:43 am
#10



Mfusion wrote:

It's nice that you guys are logrolling and all, but this thread is about FD.

I posted this to get a read on other people's experience with FD and it's supposed "counter moves", but apparantly no one has a problem with it, so I'm not going to continue banging my head against this wall.




ok ok ok im sorry for going off topic a bit. but i have to be honest. i dont use FD very often in pvp. it rather take the incap/death just my playstyle. BUT in the few times that i have used it. i have never been brought out of it. just hastn happened to me. and ive never seen it happen to other smugg's on WH so i dont know what to tell you.



Sas-quatch
~R-E-F Armorsmith~
Ardessa Baid
~R-E-F Master Structures~
Schooter' Wavingstrider
~R-E-F Medic~
~SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL CRAFTERS AND BUY PLAYERMADE~
R-E-F Web Site
AtomicFB
Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:18 am
#11

To tell ya the truth, I have used FD in pvp as well and I have not been brought out of it.




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and we stick Jedi with the tab"


Stawei_Idow
Mon Sep 19, 2005 1:48 pm
#12

I think I've missed something, can we no longer be DB'ed when we feign, but a state heal by a Jedi will counter FD?

(I have been gone for a bit, but I did try to read all the patch notes)




Bug fixes. Heh! Smuggling. Heh! A Jedi craves not these things.

My SWG Observations

If they stopped the expansions for one year and gave quality revamps to the professions that need it most, many people would resubscribe.
With all the resubs, and the new players, there would then be plenty of money to hire enough people to do 2-4 quality revamps per year plus 1-2 larger expansions per year and/or 2-4 smaller expansions per year, and not give the BigWigs a pay cut. (Possibly even an increase)

16BitHero
Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:18 pm
#13

Let's not forget all the tells we get from CSR's telling us not to exploit when we're FD'ed in PvP, even tho i've been using FD since january 04.


Oh and the Bomb droids used to kill us





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