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Hi Smugglers! hope I can get a bounty on you soon

Ive got a question about Feign death.
Alot of jedi dabble in your profession only for the feign death skill, so I am looking for a weakness in that skill.

What Ive heard is that you cant FD when stunned, is this correct?
And does other states like dizzy,blind ect.. stop you from FD?

Message Edited by dorsai78664 on 09-21-2004 06:43 PM

Nothing personal, but I think we might not want to give a BH any information on how to kill us since they might well be doing it a lot. I know this isn't a real positive attitude, but we should we make his job easier when that job may be killing us?

I know this isn't going to win me nice guy helper of the year, but a little professional courtesy is one thing, helping another profession to the detriment to our profession seems, well, ill-advised.

Then again this post is probably going to irk the bounty hunters, which might be equally ill-advised. Still it is kind of annoying for a BH to come here and ask us what's the best way to kill us, or am I just being overly sensitive? (I'm still working on leveling my Thick Skin skill tree so I can finally be a MASTER CYNIC)

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lurdanta wrote:
Nothing personal, but I think we might not want to give a BH any information on how to kill us since they might well be doing it a lot. I know this isn't a real positive attitude, but we should we make his job easier when that job may be killing us?

I know this isn't going to win me nice guy helper of the year, but a little professional courtesy is one thing, helping another profession to the detriment to our profession seems, well, ill-advised.

Then again this post is probably going to irk the bounty hunters, which might be equally ill-advised. Still it is kind of annoying for a BH to come here and ask us what's the best way to kill us, or am I just being overly sensitive? (I'm still working on leveling my Thick Skin skill tree so I can finally be a MASTER CYNIC)

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Cheers to that, Cinquain. Well said.

Just my opinion anyway...

Message Edited by dorsai78664 on 09-22-2004 12:58 AM

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dorsai78664 wrote:

Giving info on how feign works I don't see as too bad a problem. Giving info on how to break a feign is a completely different story...

I see your point but when anyone comes to the boards for information and aren't clowns about it, I don't really see a good reason not to answer the question. Not answering a question about the profession because it is may be used against us is the same logic as not training a novice because they will take slicing business away from you.

If someone asked our correspondent that question, would he answer? If you believe the answer is yes, no reason why you shouldn't also.

Just my opinion anyway...

Message Edited by dorsai78664 on 09-22-2004 12:58 AM

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First: Not answering a question about the profession because it is may be used against us is the same logic as not training a novice because they will take slicing business away from you.

With all due respect, I beg to differ. There is a difference. By training a novice to slice, I may take business away from myself or another, at the most I will lose money, but dying is different than slicing. More importantly, I am helping the novice join my profession, or more precisely, I am helping my profession. By helping another profession learn how to directly and adversely affect all members of my profession is another thing altogether, which is not helping my profession in anyway, in fact, as I maintain, I would be hurting my profession by helping others hurt it more effectively. Just because another person can slice, doesn't mean I can't. There are a lot of weapons and armor to be sliced out there and there is no way I can slice them all. And even if we don't train the novice can easily get the training from a NPC, giving a BH the lowdown on information only people with our profession should have is giving away knowledge. Finally, I think the more appropriate place for this person to inquire would be from other BH's, don't you agree? When I have a question about being a smuggler, I don't ask a weaponsmith. I ask my fellow smugglers. I realize this might be a trivial point to you, but for me the essence of it rests in my seemingly unique inclination to roleplay the profession. We are smugglers. We are here for each other. We aren't the BH information bureau.

Second, you wrote: If someone asked our correspondent that question, would he answer? If you believe the answer is yes, no reason why you shouldn't also.

This also doesn't follow, I won't go into a lecture on logic, but the argument is known as Modus Ponens and while it is useful, but it does have problems. This argument is based on two premises, first that the antecedent (the first part or "If the answer is yes") is true, second that there is a valid conditional claim that the antecedent implies the consequent. If it doesn't then you have problems. An entertaining illustration of this problem is contained in Lewis Carroll's dialogue, "What the tortise said to Achilles." A simple explanation is that there is no conditional claim that what is proper behavior for a correspondent dictates proper behavior for a mere player. It is the job of the correspondent to help others play the game. It isn't my job to help them. What is appropriate for them to do is not necessarily appropriate for me. For an argument to be valid, if the premises are true, the conclusion must follow. While it is true I do think it is appropriate for a correspondent to answer such a question, I do not think it follows I should. Furthermore, I do not think it is always appropriate for smuggler correspondent to answer a question for a BH. It seems to me they have their own correspondent, who, I would argue, is more bound to answer his questions, setting aside the fact that he didn't ask the correspondent he asked all such smugglers and I didn't say Caylin shouldn't answer OR that we shouldn't, merely that I felt it was ill-advised. Suffice to say I wasn't advocating a position of telling people NOT to answer, more that I was warning people that answering such a question could be detrimental to their fellow smugglers.

I mean no disrespect to you or to incite any bad feelings, just felt a need to point out a flaw in your logic (the kneejerk result of a minor in logic) and to clarify that I wasn't trying to tell people not to do something, but rather trying to inform them of possible detrimental results from providing information on the weaknesses of our main combat defense. I have no problem with people letting people know how to better kill our profession as long as they are aware they are doing so. I do not believe in censorship, but I do believe in informed decisionmaking and felt some silly need to speak up and point out the consequences of such information sharing.

Hehe holding back information are we?
Well I will test out if stun does anything, as this has become kind if a problem with jedibounties.
Thanks for the replies.