Smuggler Archive

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Jalgraxa wrote:

hehe ive been doing quite well selling imperial points 150:1

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kgmkiorys wrote:

The problem is that if you want to sell lots and loads of FP your customers have to be rich enoug, which they can't be if they don't sologroup anylonger.

Or did i miss something?

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Soloists, a fairly large portion of subscribers, have become ineffective. While it is true they might not have the same punch as a group, they shouldnt be denied content, just have different content offered that requires a less direct approach. As there is no intention of supporting this style of play in the upper levels, other than *blek* Jedi... *retch*, there is nothing for a person to do alone. We already have forced interactions for crafting and healing. That should be enough. Boba Fett didnt need a troop of 10 thugs to get challanging missions, nor did Luke.

Message Edited by KaiRan on 11-12-2004 05:38 PM

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KaiRan wrote:

Big trouble, this.

First of all, this is a direct nerf to only the combatants. While it will eventually trickle down to the non-combat professions by way of what the people can afford, there will be a period between where we are faced with low-income, high-prices. Better stock up on creds and supplies now, because soon you wont be able to afford them.

Secondly, as stated above, SOE-set costs will remain high, creating issues for things like FP sales and ship deeds. If it costs me a month's salary just to have my ship deed made into a ship, I wont bother! As already mentioned in this thread, faction sales will decrease simply because it will no longer be easier to make money than FP... quite the opposite, actually. In reality 95.4 cr per delegated imperial fp at colonel will prove prohibitivly high. I would expect to see only earned and stockpiled fp to become a viable trade-something all professions can do.

Spice sales will drop (as if JtL's lack of need for them wasnt enough) both because of the loss of income and the lowered ability to access upper-level missions.

POI spawns will once again become popular as the only items of value become the loot one can obtain from the MOBs there.

Since access to content has been effectively decreased, subsrciptions will waiver. If I can kill endless numbers of 115 level missions by myself, why am I being denied access to them? Lower level missions are such a walk through as to present little challange, and teaming up with others is pointless due to the lack of needing them to complete the mission. No challanges remaining= no reason to continue an account, in the eyes of most.

Soloists, a fairly large portion of subscribers, have become ineffective. While it is true they might not have the same punch as a group, they shouldnt be denied content, just have different content offered that requires a less direct approach. As there is no intention of supporting this style of play in the upper levels (other than *blek* Jedi... *retch* ), there is nothing for a person to do alone. We already have forced interactions for crafting and healing. That should be enough. Boba Fette didnt need a troop of 10 thugs to get challanging missions, nor did Luke.

In the end, the "elitists", those with all the credits, won't be eliminated, the gap will not be closed, simply moved to the non-combatant crafters and merchants exclusively, and the gap widened even more.

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Nerj wrote:

Grouping

• We changed the way group payouts for missions are calculated. When a mission is generated, the reward payout per member is calculated based on the current size of the group. If the group shrinks in size or group members are too far away to receive payout, those that do get paid receive the original per member reward. For example, if 3 players take a mission that pays 12k credits, each player will receive a maximum of 4k credits when the mission is completed. They receive 0 if they are out of range, and less if more people are added to the group to complete the mission.

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Ok... time for some math...

...and more than a little fear on my part...

*Realistic case senario* - cooperative and coordinated grouping:

5 masters in a group = highest payout on dantooine. (roughly)

In an "Improved Job Market", those missions go for 31k for Janta and Mokk, by far the fastest I've run, and drop some decent loot.

In the proposed system, in order for that payout all must be present and "help" in the run.

In order to break even, you would have to pull off10 missions within 100m or so at the same speed as one currently pulls off 2. *not likely*

Figuring speed would never be fast enough, lets say you can get 5 in the time we currently do 2.

(5 * 31000) / 5 = 31000cr vrs in the same time (2 * 31000) = 62000cr

This represents a 50% drop in income in the best expected circumstances, and requires not just grouping, but coordination and cooperation, something I see rarely on even a scale of 2 never mind 5.

*Worst case scenario* - no more grouping:

I currently pull down 1.2 million a buff session as a TKM in a solo group. This is using 31000cr missions. Roughly 400k per hour.

If I am to be forced into true soloing, I will be making a mere 6500cr per mission.

If 31k equals 400k an hr, then 6500k equals 83870/hr or around 251k a buff session.

Proof:

31000 / 400000 = 6500 / x

6500 * 400000 = 31000 x

2600000000 / 31000 = 31000 x / 31000

83870.98 = x

This is a mere 21%, a 79% drop in income!