Smuggler Archive
Thread: if you offered me half a sandwich, i wouldnt slice it....
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eitario
Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:21 am
#1
we after over a year of misinformation, delays and let downs i have finally decided to use someones idea; a silent protest if you will. from this point on this master smuggler will no longer slice until we get fixed. makes more inventory for me since i wont need to carry slicing materials anymore; and its not like i was making a killing (unless it was for a 'smith) or need to slice. although people do NEED us to slice. so i am not hurting anyone spamming in cor or theed and i feel, a little librated when people ask me why and direct them to read my profile and the word gets out.
i dont expect you all to give it up cold turkey 
but if we all do it i think it will have a greater impact and is less disruptive as previous protest.
but if we all do it i think it will have a greater impact and is less disruptive as previous protest.
kingfarooq218
Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:37 am
#2
I understand your frustration, I was in the same spot just recently. However i'm beginning to think the most effective means of handling the Smuggler issue may be to write and send letters into SOE informing them of our current frustrationa dn disappointment in their handling of our professions issues. I think that probably is the route most likely to be heard.
Good luck in the no slicing thing though, I certainly have your back on it and won't be doing any slicing.
--Salazar Farooq
eitario
Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:02 pm
#3
now thats just plain rude......
/OneStarGnomeDefense
::you have been hit for one star of damage:::
/sigh
/feign
Voodoo2484
Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:11 pm
#4
more money for me since you're on kette too. I mastered BH before I started smuggler and before there were mounts or speeders so I really have no sympathy for you. You guys complain about not being able to pull stuff from crates. I had to spend thousands on tickets and droids, and then walk my ass to the waypoints only to get a stuck mark or no mark over and over while doing the investigation. Then the fiasco with the jedi. Let me just say I'd much rather take 10 seconds to pull an item from a crate then spend 45 mins tracking a mark that never shows up or trying to hunt a jedi who can escape by logging off or sitting in his house or taking a swim until the bounty goes away.
eitario
Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:21 pm
#5
Voodoo2484 wrote:
more money for me since you're on kette too. I mastered BH before I started smuggler and before there were mounts or speeders so I really have no sympathy for you. You guys complain about not being able to pull stuff from crates. I had to spend thousands on tickets and droids, and then walk my ass to the waypoints only to get a stuck mark or no mark over and over while doing the investigation. Then the fiasco with the jedi. Let me just say I'd much rather take 10 seconds to pull an item from a crate then spend 45 mins tracking a mark that never shows up or trying to hunt a jedi who can escape by logging off or sitting in his house or taking a swim until the bounty goes away.
i was in no way asking for anyones sympathy...fyi i have some BH too, just cant master smuggler and BH, and i have been around in those days since july '03 not to mention i have many master BH friends that have pains every publish. i have tracked a mark across multiple planets only to get to cor and find he spawned in water in the middle of nowhere, or my last one when i stopped doing INV, when he was suppose to be in vrenii near the cantina and never spawned after several planet hops.
only didfference is BH's have to do INV to a certain point, i make more money doing other things, and am maxed on xp, so why should i bother?
Voodoo2484
Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:33 pm
#6
well if you know how much of a pain in the ass BH (and undoubtedly other professions) can be why are you complaining about something so relativally pointless? I think you are incredibly jaded and need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture.
Yes the jedi got a revamp first... they're kind of the bread and butter of Star Wars, what the heck did you THINK was going to happen? Sure go ahead and let yourself believe that the devs should have gotten to smugglers first before the profession that everybody (whether they admit it or not) really wants to become.
Okay sure you're "broken" but I have seen a heck of a lot worse then this and I really think that the revamps that have been placed before smuggler are intelligent choices, if that upsets you then tough sh*t..really.
This reminds me a lot of something that happend in high school. A bunch of seniors were mad because they thought they didn't have enough privledges so they staged a walkout. You know what happend? They got suspended and not a damn thing changed. Actually in the years to follow seniors got less and less priviledges.
Now if you want to have your little protest be my guest but I assure you for every smuggler that protests there are 2 or 3 that aren't going to because really, it's just a game (a long term one at that) and everybody knows we're going to get fixed eventually. Nothing you can do is going to speed that up.
Yes the jedi got a revamp first... they're kind of the bread and butter of Star Wars, what the heck did you THINK was going to happen? Sure go ahead and let yourself believe that the devs should have gotten to smugglers first before the profession that everybody (whether they admit it or not) really wants to become.
Okay sure you're "broken" but I have seen a heck of a lot worse then this and I really think that the revamps that have been placed before smuggler are intelligent choices, if that upsets you then tough sh*t..really.
This reminds me a lot of something that happend in high school. A bunch of seniors were mad because they thought they didn't have enough privledges so they staged a walkout. You know what happend? They got suspended and not a damn thing changed. Actually in the years to follow seniors got less and less priviledges.
Now if you want to have your little protest be my guest but I assure you for every smuggler that protests there are 2 or 3 that aren't going to because really, it's just a game (a long term one at that) and everybody knows we're going to get fixed eventually. Nothing you can do is going to speed that up.
MaxSteele
Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:35 pm
#7
eitario wrote:
we after over a year of misinformation, delays and let downs i have finally decided to use someones idea; a silent protest if you will. from this point on this master smuggler will no longer slice until we get fixed. makes more inventory for me since i wont need to carry slicing materials anymore; and its not like i was making a killing (unless it was for a 'smith) or need to slice. although people do NEED us to slice. so i am not hurting anyone spamming in cor or theed and i feel, a little librated when people ask me why and direct them to read my profile and the word gets out.
i dont expect you all to give it up cold turkey
Thanks for the increased business on Kettemoor!
eitario
Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:39 pm
#8
MaxSteele wrote:
eitario wrote:
we after over a year of misinformation, delays and let downs i have finally decided to use someones idea; a silent protest if you will. from this point on this master smuggler will no longer slice until we get fixed. makes more inventory for me since i wont need to carry slicing materials anymore; and its not like i was making a killing (unless it was for a 'smith) or need to slice. although people do NEED us to slice. so i am not hurting anyone spamming in cor or theed and i feel, a little librated when people ask me why and direct them to read my profile and the word gets out.
i dont expect you all to give it up cold turkey
Thanks for the increased business on Kettemoor!
i have no problem sending folks to you if you are online
Karzon_X
Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:27 pm
#9
I don't get it, BH and Smuggler, big difference.. apples oranges.. hunter and the guy who is going to kill a lot of the hunters when the do have smuggler bouties.
Yes it sucked for BHs to get invest xp, but... in relation to smugglers.. does that really matter? This isn't really about sensless grinding of slicing xp.. for that it's easy to pull you're tools from the crates to slice.
The problem comes when someone hands you two full sets of compoites and a few weapns and tips you 100k.. then it takes 20 minutes to slice it because your inv isn't big enough to pull out enough tools to do it at once..
Yes I know you're going to say wahwah wah, but you know breaking an already broken class is pretty stupid if you asl me... this was probably the only way they could figure out how to fix the auto pulling problem with laser knives.. easies way to change the code.. don't allow pulling at all.. bad idea
No matter how much you kiss as s you aren't going to get a call from SOE so stop flaming for the point of flaming.. he wants to take time off from slicing.. let him and be happy that you're blissfully standing by while the devs make it impossible for us to do anything worth while.
Personally I'm going to raise my prices, because it is becomming such a pain in the balls to do large orders..
So shoot away at me, I'm sure you have some clever flame to throw my way... oh and you're not fooling anyone.. back in high school lol.. yeah you're what? strarting freshman year now?
NickHeel
Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:09 pm
#10
Please don't feed the trolls.
If you know you're post is going to incite unrest or piss someone off...don't do it. It's trolling. You have your views and some people have theirs. Doesn't mean you have to cram your foot in the door to rub in the fact we've been put off.
And a heads up, wise ass.....
Most people aren't upset just over the fact we got a slicing nerf or we aren't revamped yet. They're upset over the fact we have been told and promised one thing and then we always get shafted with something completely different out of left field.
It's them saying we won't get the slicing nerf, that we'll get this taken care of, or we'll get that feature. And then when it comes time we get the exact opposite. THAT is what upsets Smugglers in general. They say one thing, but they do another and it's happened time after time after time. I remember actually counting all instances up and left off at 21. Then I went away for a bit and came back so I lost track. I'm out.
MylesTeg
Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:38 pm
#11
I think the crate thing is a big pain to be honest. I had to just pull PLK's from the crate before, so I could use 10 instead of 1. Now I have to pull everything. Well, I won't be doing any heavy duty public slicing for a while. I really just slice for my guildies and myself anymore. Doing lines of people like I used to do in Coronet would just be nuts. And I've never been one for sitting around like the docs around there do so much. I rarely have my Master Smuggler title up anymore. Usually just stick with the Master Commando and that's it. It's just more time than I care to spend doing that stuff. Same reason I don't sell FP either. I'm not saying that everything in this game should be easy to do, but geez... everything shouldn't be a pain in the ass either.
Vrond
Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:24 am
#12
I more or less stipped slicing a while ago. it just got to be to much to anwser the same questions over and over and frankly it is not worth the time/effort to slice for the money folks will pay for it. I now slice my own armor and weapons and thats it.
MujtahiD
Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:13 am
#13
Things were supposed to start looking up for the smuggler, and now they go and make slicing, which is already extremely tedious (especially when you cant even pick your own slice, or have to keep closing the colour palette menu while slicing backpacks of armour for people) even more annoying. Wasnt bad enough that slicing was alreadyfrustrating due to the aforementioned reasons, that the spice tree was dumbed down with the advent of doc/entertainer buffs and food, that our underworld tree enables us to evade scans (which any imp can do), speak any language (which every buffoon can do), and hold a mere 500 FP from the thousands we actually require.
The only tree that isnt truly borked is the DF line, but even that needs some unarmed mods to justify the unarmed prerequisite, and not to mention some pistols mods because the pistoleer profession is even more badly broken.
All im saying is, there was already a plethora of problems with the profession, and there was little need to add to the pile. Its a small issue if you look at it from a pinhole,but when you add the rest of theproblems, it no longer seems miniscule. I dont believe that i should 'pacify' myself and look at other professions to see how broken they are. I already know whats wrong with them. That shouldnt make me feel better about my class...It should make me feel worse about the overall game. Ieven recall reading somewhere that TH expatiated on this beinga bug of some sort and that it would be fixed.
Until then, however, ive added the reason as to why i no longer slice for the public in my info screen. Whenever someone sends a tell my way, i politely request them to examine my info. The money's not worth the annoyance factor to me, so other smugglers on Bria are welcome to take over.
I do, however, have faith in the smuggler revamp changing things for the better when it is finally released. Until then, people will advise me to simply enjoy the game, and im following their advice to the T. I dont enjoy slicing anymore, so whats the sense in doing it?
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