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Thread: I once thought Smuggler was the worst-off profession with bugs...
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PhoenixOrion
Tue Jun 01, 2004 1:00 pm
#1
...and then I got a 2nd account and pursued Master Bounty Hunter. That was in January.
It's now June and I've still yet to complete the Investigation Tree.
Wanna know why? Bugged Terminals and Bugged Droids.
Figured I'd let my fellow Smugglers know, once and for all, everybody is in the same boat - well, except Jedi. They get ALL the Dev Lovin'. 
Ragnaat
Tue Jun 01, 2004 1:11 pm
#2
hahaha.. jedi not broke? guess you haven't been near test center in the last week 
chown2
Tue Jun 01, 2004 1:12 pm
#3
My first holocron said BH. I put that off for about 2 months before I finally did it because I had to drop smuggler completely. It hurt to do that, but I did it. I mastered BH in about 2 1/2 weeks. It sucked, but it wasn't as bad as I was led to believe. I don't think I would have had the patience to do it before player cities and vehicles, though.
The "bugged" BH missions aren't all bugged. When you get to the WP and don't find your mark, you may just be at an old WP. There is/was a bug where the WP sometimes didn't update if you were too close.
I hope someone told you the trick about maxing your your BH XP before training investigation 1. That's pretty huge. The other thing is that at some point (possibly at inv 3) you get the ability to send up multiple seeker droids. This is huge. You can get updates every 5 seconds instead of every minute. I didn't know this until I saw this mentioned in passing in a post in the BH forum.
... and what's bugged in smuggler? The only thing I can think of is the one about PLK getting pulled from the crate.
The "bugged" BH missions aren't all bugged. When you get to the WP and don't find your mark, you may just be at an old WP. There is/was a bug where the WP sometimes didn't update if you were too close.
I hope someone told you the trick about maxing your your BH XP before training investigation 1. That's pretty huge. The other thing is that at some point (possibly at inv 3) you get the ability to send up multiple seeker droids. This is huge. You can get updates every 5 seconds instead of every minute. I didn't know this until I saw this mentioned in passing in a post in the BH forum.
... and what's bugged in smuggler? The only thing I can think of is the one about PLK getting pulled from the crate.
Message Edited by chown2 on 06-01-2004 01:13 PM
Istin
Tue Jun 01, 2004 1:13 pm
#4
Bugs? As in Broken skills and things?
First of all, Smuggler is far from broken as far as I can see.
Second the BH investigation tree IS a pain in the **edit** but it CAN be done with tons of doc buffs and a lot of dedication. My friend did it all in 2-3 months (January to February/March). That was when he was still getting used to grinding. 'Cause after that he did fencer, starting fomr novice brawler, in about a week if not less.
Third, Pistoleer is the most broken prof, aside from carbineers perhaps. We have 3, yes only 3, specials that work and are not redudant. Oh, AND we're basically useless in PvP without a really good stun pistol.
Obed
Tue Jun 01, 2004 1:19 pm
#5
Yeah, smuggler's not necessarily broken, technically... just kinda crappy. All our stuff works, just a bunch of it is useless.
And pistoleer is totally borked... don't even wanna talk about that.
PhoenixOrion
Tue Jun 01, 2004 1:49 pm
#6
Oh yes, I quite know alot about Pistoleer, as I'm the Triple Master (Smuggler,TKA,Pistoleer). Quite useless in PVP.
Roadego
Tue Jun 01, 2004 7:17 pm
#7
Most smugglers know pistoleer is borked. Because to enjoy the full benefits of the dirty fighting tree and to level smuggler with any power progression whatsoever you pretty much need pistoleer which makes smuggler even more painful when you look at the lack of content and then get pushed towards a borked profession just to enjoy your own specials. It's like gettibg bent over twice without the common courtesy of a reach around. (yes, I'm ranting)
I did bh as well and the weapon lines of bh are a cakewalk. I didn't find investigation as bad as some say either (maybe I was lucky) but oh my god talk about monotonous. I don't want npc smuggler missions if they are even remotely as pathetic as investigation missions. They pay terrible and you travel all over the place just to finish your mission with very anti-climatic npc shoot out. I can definately see why bhs want pc bounty missions so bad.
I did bh as well and the weapon lines of bh are a cakewalk. I didn't find investigation as bad as some say either (maybe I was lucky) but oh my god talk about monotonous. I don't want npc smuggler missions if they are even remotely as pathetic as investigation missions. They pay terrible and you travel all over the place just to finish your mission with very anti-climatic npc shoot out. I can definately see why bhs want pc bounty missions so bad.
Message Edited by Roadego on 06-01-2004 08:18 PM
OdiousEncounter
Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:29 pm
#8
Come to think of it, i can't think of anything that's technically a "bug" with the smuggler profession. Everything works, there's just a healthy dose of poor design thrown in. Even that's not half as bad as many other professions, though.
You thought BH was bugged, though? Go try the current state of Creature Handler. I've tried both of them, and CH is far and away the worst when it comes to bugs (although the invest. line is more tedious...)
Shidi-Rommu
Wed Jun 02, 2004 8:51 am
#9
You guys think you got it bad....... come for a little stroll through the pleasure that is Ranger... 
Ragnaat
Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:39 am
#10
As others have stated, smuggler is a "working" profession in the bug sense. 2 lines of the tree are clearly useful to all, a 3rd can be used to make millions in the right situation, and the last, while mostly obsolete, isn't bugged in either XP or product.
Overall, it is very playable.
But, it *IS* very poorly designed and misguided attempt at creating a playable Smuggler, which is what many folks around here look to it to be - instead of just filler for a broken pistoleer profession or a guild mule for slicing or Faction sales which is where it now works best.
Overall, it is very playable.
But, it *IS* very poorly designed and misguided attempt at creating a playable Smuggler, which is what many folks around here look to it to be - instead of just filler for a broken pistoleer profession or a guild mule for slicing or Faction sales which is where it now works best.
Babsalos
Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:14 am
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I was a Smuggler since release, then in Dec decided to go BH. I like the BH but its apain getting the inv exp. unless you slice bases. I missed Smuggler and didn't want to give up all the borked and bugged mission I ran for Investigation. Best Buy saved me by putting SWG on sale for $20. So my smuggler alt is formed. Smuggler is a lot easier to master with leftover tools and plenty of cash.
Babsalos Drazil
BH 3/3/4/4
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Smuggler 0/2/3/3
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Message Edited by Babsalos on 06-02-2004 01:20 PM
OdiousEncounter
Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:28 pm
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Shidi-Rommu wrote:
You guys think you got it bad....... come for a little stroll through the pleasure that is Ranger...
My friend was a ranger, against not technically many bugs, but even more dull and poorly designed than smuggler. I must once again profess my love for the ranger community. Although they have probably THE least atttended-to class in the game and are generally borked, but I don't think I've ever heard a ranger really complain. Yet the teras kasi boards are still full of whining. Such an overpowered class, must drop ASAP.
PhoenixOrion
Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:33 am
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Shidi-Rommu wrote:
You guys think you got it bad....... come for a little stroll through the pleasure that is Ranger...
I've got Ranger Tracking IV on my BH. From what I've seen, they just need to combine Scout and Ranger, as there really is no more added advantage for Camps since they put in the no-need-for-them fix for mounts, vehicles and pets. I'd LOVE to see them do that, as it would make BH a whole lot more of a better profession to play.
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