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Thread: Why must they argue about slicing prices
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BaronJuJu
Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:39 pm
#1
Hey all,
I know this has been brought up a few times before, but I am a rather new Master Smuggler and I am absolutely loving except for one thing...the darn near constant arguement of slicing prices. An example that happened tonight:
Them: "Hi, can you slice something for me?"
Me: "Sure, what do you need and how many?" (Have to ask that all the time now since I did a deal only to find the person putting about 15 different things in the trade window as I was waiting for a shuttle)
Them: " A powerhammer...how much?"
Me: "8K...and all prices are non-negotiable, payment through the trade window only"
Them: "Tell you what...I will give you 10k if it is a 30+ damage or speed...4k if it is anything else"
Me: "All prices are non negotiable...8k"
Them: ***jumps on bike and rides off without another word***
Now despite the fact that he was just plain rude, I just don't understand how these folks can quibble over what I think is a fairly cheap price.
I have NEVER seen folks in 20+ long lines waiting for docs to buf them at 16k each for 3hrs and argue when they get up there for the price. Heck even when the doc says they are low end buffs (2 to 2.5 hours) and still charge 11k they will wait in line.
We don't see folks arguing with amerchant over a 3 mil rilfe or gun. Heck, the main reason they can charge that much is because of the slice we provided to it.
So I can't see why8k puts them in such a tizzy. YeahI understand they all want the 30+ slice of their desire, don't we all. But, if you take that PERMANENTLY ENHANCED weapon I sliced for 8k, get buffed for 16k, you can go out and fight NS, Jedi whatever, if you make it great...you have 3 hours left to kick butt, but if you die, you lose that wonderful buff but still have that PERMANENTLY ENHANCED weapon that you can use again...after you get buffed for 16k from a doc again...and again...and again...and again.
Just had to rant a bit. I also wanted to see what you all do with folks like this and what do you think is a solution? Jack slice prices up? Refuse to slice for arguers?
Thanks for the great posts in here by the way. Very, very informative and I use it all the time when I play to use as a reference.
Good luck out there and may all your slices be perfect.
Respectfully,
Balakor Halasin
Master Smuggler/Master Pistoleer/Masster Marksman/Commando 0-3-0-0
Message Edited by BaronJuJu on 10-27-2004 12:43 AM
Message Edited by BaronJuJu on 10-27-2004 12:47 AM
Message Edited by BaronJuJu on 10-27-2004 12:47 AM
Message Edited by BaronJuJu on 10-27-2004 12:48 AM
KiayaWi
Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:57 pm
#2
I charge a flat rate. I have had people more than once tell me it was too rich for their blood...I don't argue...don't offer it for less..just tell them good luck.
The oddest thing is...I charge less then the other Master Smugglers thatI know...I don't know where they think they're going to find someone to do it for less *shrug*
Kal_Serrak
Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:00 pm
#3
Some people are idiots.. I had a client whine about a 30 damage slice on a very nice NS looted Powerhammer. Kept saying I ruined its value in /shout.
I almost kept it..
I almost kept it..
Ifisa
Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:03 pm
#4
Are..........are you kidding?! Wow......thats sad.....whining about a 30% damage slice. I tipped a smuggler extra because it was a 30%......be it a speed slice, but it was back when i was using a high damage, slow piece of crap llc
BaronJuJu
Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:05 pm
#5
"Some people are idiots.. I had a client whine about a 30 damage slice on a very nice NS looted Powerhammer. Kept saying I ruined its value in /shout.
I almost kept it.. "
I almost kept it.. "
That would have been classic..shouting back in spatial..."Ruined huh? Well obivously you don't want this piece of junk again...tell you what...I will just keep it and give it to some noob in Mos Eisley for leveling"
Ifisa
Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:06 pm
#6
If I were a smuggler and got crap like that I would keep wepons....claim it was roleplaying
BaronJuJu
Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:08 pm
#7
This seems to be a big problem lately, I see 3 new posts started on almost the exact same topic
Phenix1050
Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:17 pm
#8
I for one am fighting the tyranny of the stupid customer.
I tip minimum 10k for a slice (weapon).
I tip 1.5x if it's in the category I want (note* I know enough never to TELL the smuggler what categoryI want...and they usually get it)
I tip double if it's over 25%
i tip 4x if it's over 30%
I ended up paying a Master Smuggler on my server 60k for a 30%damage slice on a nice VK I have. Now, I don't have tons of money (I recently got to the 2 million mark and that was the highest I've ever been) but I know that smugglers often have less than me, so I go out of my way to try and overpay them whenever I get a slice.
tralita_tusnami
Tue Oct 26, 2004 6:59 pm
#9
not all smugglers are poor mind you, we jsut figure this game out. im a master smuggler and jsut switched factions from imperial to rebel.and immediatly hit up the first Master smuggler i found for faction points. i hid my tag and went to buy them. he told me he was HIGH ranking, turns out he was a warrent officer2 LOL. i realise that there is not much of a market in FP for rebels but i paid TOP DOLLAR for it also. did i complain NO WAY i know how it is. when we were done i raised my tag to master smuggler. said thanks and tipped him 500k. he was like OMG
i made his day even if it absoulty broke me. 1 month later and im up to 4.8 million again. money is easy to comeby but only if you know how to find clients. and SPAMING FOR CLIENTS in the naboo theed starport can make some quick cash(personaly i like this place the best cause clients can leave when they want not in a rush for a shuttle
but its not good for the million dollar mark.
EmpireEntrepeneur
Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:44 pm
#10
Important stuff is on the bottom, but you can read the rest if you like.
I grew up in this country (USA) believing that everything is what it says it is (sometimes more) and nothing is negotiable. However, in a gaming sense there are two likely economic systems. Say they were playing final fantasy 7, just as it came. Nobody will refuse to buy a good sword at the price it cost because they know it is non-negotaible. However our economy is different. Some people have paid nothing and got a swoop others have paid enormous amounts (60k+). I met a droid engineer, in pursuit of an entertainment bot for my profession (Actually I am a criminal but dont let untrusted people know that). Well the MDE was super nice, answered all my questions, explained everything down to how to work the droid (been awhile since I played). Well the bill came to 22k. I thought that was a reasonable price and since he even rushed from his local to come to the cantina to deliver it I payed him 33k for the droid and excellent service. The following night another MDE came running into the cantina spamming to sell the same bot I recently just purchased. Just to compare how well my purchase was I asked him how much. 60-80k.
I believe slicing cost comes down to the basics, supply and demand. Maybe they had something sliced previously, possibly from someone who needs xp or a friend who charged really low rate. So they saw your rate as ridculous, and can wait to find the lower rate. Maybe its someone who haggles everything they spend money on. They real question is, how much do you need to slice things. If it is your main source of income then perhaps, you should figure out the supply and demand in your area. If they cant find another slicer but want the slice they will happily pay your rate. Every smuggler I come in contact with, I try to establish some sort of friendship and add them to my friends list. So that when I become MS I can get a better feel of the trade by keeping close contacts in the underworld. I dont plan on living off of slicing, heck I dont even plan on profiting it from, but I have my guidelines.....
I am a criminal! I worry about Imperial scans and being locked away in some imperial prison on some desolate moon. So if you want my business, you will have to tip me 500 creds just to speak to me, because I dont know you and don't do business well with strange folk. If your a returning customer then you already know how I do business. After the tip you will follow me somewhere more private (empty alley) because I don't do illegal activities in public. I will gladly tell you my fee for what you want. As of right now I am thinking of a rate like: (Cost of Tools)+(1k x Slice Level[1-5])+(100cr/%increase), 10 or more items and I will not charge %increase rate. Friends and close allies will have situational pricing. If they dont like my price, then I will happily refer to them to someone else. Thus, for 500 creds, they get a name and I have a little fun.
IMPORTANT: If slicing is your main source of income, you will need to adjust your cost to achieve the most business as possible. If you are comfortable and dont need to live off slicing, charge want you want because its their problem not yours.
I grew up in this country (USA) believing that everything is what it says it is (sometimes more) and nothing is negotiable. However, in a gaming sense there are two likely economic systems. Say they were playing final fantasy 7, just as it came. Nobody will refuse to buy a good sword at the price it cost because they know it is non-negotaible. However our economy is different. Some people have paid nothing and got a swoop others have paid enormous amounts (60k+). I met a droid engineer, in pursuit of an entertainment bot for my profession (Actually I am a criminal but dont let untrusted people know that). Well the MDE was super nice, answered all my questions, explained everything down to how to work the droid (been awhile since I played). Well the bill came to 22k. I thought that was a reasonable price and since he even rushed from his local to come to the cantina to deliver it I payed him 33k for the droid and excellent service. The following night another MDE came running into the cantina spamming to sell the same bot I recently just purchased. Just to compare how well my purchase was I asked him how much. 60-80k.
I believe slicing cost comes down to the basics, supply and demand. Maybe they had something sliced previously, possibly from someone who needs xp or a friend who charged really low rate. So they saw your rate as ridculous, and can wait to find the lower rate. Maybe its someone who haggles everything they spend money on. They real question is, how much do you need to slice things. If it is your main source of income then perhaps, you should figure out the supply and demand in your area. If they cant find another slicer but want the slice they will happily pay your rate. Every smuggler I come in contact with, I try to establish some sort of friendship and add them to my friends list. So that when I become MS I can get a better feel of the trade by keeping close contacts in the underworld. I dont plan on living off of slicing, heck I dont even plan on profiting it from, but I have my guidelines.....
I am a criminal! I worry about Imperial scans and being locked away in some imperial prison on some desolate moon. So if you want my business, you will have to tip me 500 creds just to speak to me, because I dont know you and don't do business well with strange folk. If your a returning customer then you already know how I do business. After the tip you will follow me somewhere more private (empty alley) because I don't do illegal activities in public. I will gladly tell you my fee for what you want. As of right now I am thinking of a rate like: (Cost of Tools)+(1k x Slice Level[1-5])+(100cr/%increase), 10 or more items and I will not charge %increase rate. Friends and close allies will have situational pricing. If they dont like my price, then I will happily refer to them to someone else. Thus, for 500 creds, they get a name and I have a little fun.
IMPORTANT: If slicing is your main source of income, you will need to adjust your cost to achieve the most business as possible. If you are comfortable and dont need to live off slicing, charge want you want because its their problem not yours.
tralita_tusnami
Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:07 pm
#11
Nanaa,
hmmm
/salute for roleplayers
i usualy get buy decently saying 150 per % i have only once had a person argue about pricing that way. but i have only once had a person tip me over what i charged. I also have strict rules of when i slice, even if i have my Master smuggler tag out.
- only if im not buffed, why should i waste my money and time when im dooing business
- only if im not in a hurry(have someone waiting on me)
- only my faction when im not advertasing (friends are diffrent)
- you iddiots its random so dont ask for something special form of slicing
- dont give me anything in a god damned bag if your to lazy to move the items out then im to lazy to slice
- dont give me items that are already sliced
- have a nice day
- if i miss your tell im probly one of the things above dont send again
they follow these and everything is fine if they badger me with lots of tells.... lets jsut say i can be creative
Nicolas_Frost
Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:58 pm
#12
Kal_Serrak wrote:
Some people are idiots.. I had a client whine about a 30 damage slice on a very nice NS looted Powerhammer. Kept saying I ruined its value in /shout.
I almost kept it..
I know I would have. It would have made a nice wall decoration. My responce to this guy:
"Thanks, I always wanted a nicely sliced Powerhammer for my wall display."
[insert likely leet remark about me stealing]
"I seem to remember somewhere, hmmm, 'All Trades are Final.", that's a nice policy. Well, have a good day and thanks for the present."
[insert likely leet profanities]
Ride off on Swoop. If the guy follows, let him in my house long enough to see me place the Hammer on the wall, then ban him from my house and be done with it. If he continues to be a pain, /cityban.
You just gotta keep in mind, you don't have to drop to thier level. Use thier aggressiveness against them.
BaronJuJu
Wed Oct 27, 2004 1:04 am
#13
jangoman8 wrote:
people dont understand that we are SMUGGLERS, we make our living smuggling and if we have to drop shipments then we dont get paid, so of course we have to charge 10k per sliceI had a guy tell me "you must really value your time' I said " well I have nothing better to do right now, but thats my price" This was the guy in another post I put up that wanted 25 PH's sliced for 3k I believe it was then if i was good he'd let me slice more.....LET me slice more ha ha
Wow! You mean if I do a good job, you'll let me slice more stuff for an incredibly low price? What a deal! I'm so excited I think I'll just walk off and ignore you
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