Smuggler Archive

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WesBelden wrote:

Most of the bad responses to the CU I've seen so far in public forums have been due to a combination of lack of information and comparing things to/still thinking in terms of the old (current/pre-CU) system. Everything has been said to be balanced in the CU, buffs, foods and spices and until testing really begins, there's no way to tell if things are bad or good... the proof's in the pudding and they really need to realise that rather than getting agitated over the small piece of the picture they have for now.

Ignorance is bliss, knoweldge is power, while a little bit of knowledge is dangerous... or something

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Indeed. I haven't been vocal about my own concerns for just these reasons. From what I've seen things look very thin in the post CU game but that's because I have no idea how they plan to replace the skills or specials granted at different skill levels that currently have a targeting effect (or random / multiple pool) effect while also "fixing" all the currently broken specials and skills which is what I thought started most of this. Same goes for chef foods that actually got to a point where they were mostly orking and fairly well balanced against the current system.

But just like question of slicing or spices changing multiple times these are just concerns at this point, and as long as their aired and addressed I don't see the sky falling.

I think it was a bit silly for the staff to post what they did /and/ request feedback on only that, but its not all their fault here. Players should be able to see that there is more to come and learn a little patience.

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Ragnaat wrote:

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WesBelden wrote:

Most of the bad responses to the CU I've seen so far in public forums have been due to a combination of lack of information and comparing things to/still thinking in terms of the old (current/pre-CU) system. Everything has been said to be balanced in the CU, buffs, foods and spices and until testing really begins, there's no way to tell if things are bad or good... the proof's in the pudding and they really need to realise that rather than getting agitated over the small piece of the picture they have for now.

Ignorance is bliss, knoweldge is power, while a little bit of knowledge is dangerous... or something

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Indeed. I haven't been vocal about my own concerns for just these reasons. From what I've seen things look very thin in the post CU game but that's because I have no idea how they plan to replace the skills or specials granted at different skill levels that currently have a targeting effect (or random / multiple pool) effect while also "fixing" all the currently broken specials and skills which is what I thought started most of this. Same goes for chef foods that actually got to a point where they were mostly orking and fairly well balanced against the current system.

But just like question of slicing or spices changing multiple times these are just concerns at this point, and as long as their aired and addressed I don't see the sky falling.

I think it was a bit silly for the staff to post what they did /and/ request feedback on only that, but its not all their fault here. Players should be able to see that there is more to come and learn a little patience.

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Indeed. I have been trying to say this to some of the more upset folks in my guild. I think that SOE should have waited and put more information out rather then the little but the did put out.

I would think that Chef foods would change along with weapons and armor post CU.

Doctors might not be able to charge for folks to stand in line to wait to play the game but they also will be able to get the heck out of the starport and go have some fun as they will be needed in the field.

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SmugglinZane wrote:

I've been keeping my mouth shut about some of the things that have been said about the CU, but I just got to let it out now.

The most vocally opponent professions I've seen are CH, for not being addressed, and Chefs. Now I feel for the CHs, to some extent, but the Chef complaints crack me up. Number one, food and drink will be worthless. I just find that hilarious considering what the Chef Revamp did to our Spices. The best part about it all is how at least half of all food and drink will still be viable in combat without even being touched (they're obviously upset that their booming brandy sales may diminish). Foods have never had the diversity or power problem that spices have, and it's pretty safe to assume they still won't.

I just find it really funny considering our history.

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I just got this though in my head: Prohibition! Chef's running bootleg brandy, bathtub brandy, chef stills cooking in the back of the house.

So far I think the CURB looks okay, lets wait and see (we are all really good at that) what else they have in store.

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JTGAlpha wrote:

why are the chefs upset? We've heard BUPKES about what ANY buffs are going to be like.

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I guess some people are just fiercly loyal to their professions which isnt a bad thing after all

• Slicing has been givento Jedi


• Spices (that now give jedi +3000 to force) have been moved to jedi


• Smuggling somtiems causes you to spontaniously combust


• Smugglers can no longer use pistols


• Feign death now causes you to die


• Smugglers slicing may sometimes cause the weapons to explode(killing you instantly), unless its a lightsaber, in which case makes them unstoppable

Last I looked at the CU expansion info they've published, it was 10% for long-term buffs, 20% for short term buffs, MAX. Now, assuming you have the 3k HAM bar, the Docs can give you 300, and Chefs or smugglers or someone can give you 600. If food and spice are both 20% and stack, that's 1200. so between 900 and 1500 added to 3k HAM. 3900-4500 HAM. Pretty nice if you ask me. Probably required for soloing some things I'll bet.

Now, Let's play the supposition game. New advanced armor will cause De-buffs, affecting, rate of movement, accuracy penalties, etc. So, Chefs might not have the massive brandy sales they used to, perhaps sales in travel biscuits, parwan, and citros will increase. And it doesn't take Sherlock to see that Synthsteak and Aircake will most likely still be essential.

Doctors? 10%, well, maybe you'll have other buffs to apply, like movement buffs, or accuracy buffs, like steroids, or a long term version of those looted stims. Or maybe you'll have to go back to your original job, healing wounds and healing people in combat.

Creature Handlers, I feel for, they're getting a taste of the Smuggler treatment. They were told specifically they were a combat profession and that their ridiculous nerf was being addressed in the CU, which, hey maybe it will be, but they totally are left in the dark. Even we have news now.

All the straight combat profs, any bitching that comes out of them, they can shut the hell up. Sorry, just absolutely NOTHING for them to b*tch about.

Jedi, well, we all feel the same about jedi...

Uhhh let's see, oh, right.

The one group with something to be concerned about. Armorsmiths. They've basically got composite down to a science. They produce uber suits by the 100s. Pretty much the only other mass produced suit is Ubese, two products that account for like 90% of sales. maybe 85%, not sure how much Wookiee/Ithorian suits come into play. But try finding one Anyway, so, now, Composite will not only be the uber thing, hypothetically, but could, possibly, theoretically, be certed to specific profs. AS's that are going to produce armor up to the CU better hope that a lot of people have a need for whatever rpotections it offers, and have the certed prof if that's the case. Factional armor, perhaps a factioned AS might not be able to craft both sets... hmmm, more problems.

But oh well, they've been rakin in the dough long enough

Think of all us poor Smugglers. Assuming only DF counts as combat skills, as far as the HAM increases, I will have, let's see, if I've done my math right, 155 SP invested in combat with my template that I need/want. Now, if Someone invests, say 249 points in ALL melees, mastering two elite combat profs, brawler, and dablling in a third, I wonder what their HAM will look like compared to mine... I will certainly need buffs/food for pvp, unless smugglers get some major crazy bone.