Shipwright Archive
Thread: What products are selling for everyone? Are we just missle builders?
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Mkappus
Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:15 am
#1
I know many of us are concerned over the state of shipwright, and our profession is less than 1 month old. Right now I have very few products that sell well, essentially I am only selling launchers, missles, countermeasures.... Our reactors are nice too and they sell well. Then of course paint kits and texture kits are ok too.
I can make a decent amount off of missles, but I am a little disappointed that this quickly we are becoming munitions builders and reverse engineers. I was amazed at the possibility of this profession with all of the schematics, but reality is not living up to the possibility we once had.
Here are the issues I see:
1. Capacitors- looted ones rock. On top of that we have not had a good spawn of copper yet to see if we can really compete.
2. Weapons- right now with reverse engineering you can throw in a looted ion cannon, a looted disruptor and whatever else. This will yield weapons coming out that are .65 or better against both shields and armor. I can't get my crafted blasters that high. Allowing reverse engineering to create hybrid weapons is making crafted ones less and less desirable.
3. Engines - there are just to many variables to be able to craft them well. Again, through careful reverse engineering you can create a better one. Get a low mass engine, a good top speed engine, a low energy engine, good YPR engine, reverse engineer those together and you come out with an uber engine. There are just too many things to experiment on to get them all very nice. But with reverse engineering taking the best stat from each, you can create vastly superior engines through RE.
4. Shields I haven't played with yet, but again with so many items to experiment on, if you reverse engineer wisely you can do better.
5. Armor I need to start playing with.
Skuzz
Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:22 am
#2
Shipwrights will forever be sought after and EXTREMELY rich. I would count yer blessings and be thankful you have one of the few classes that works as intended. 
Kinshi
Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:50 pm
#3
As far as missles go, nobody wants the Mark I missles, so stocks of those remain untouched. (I thinnk this is short sighted of people, as theyd rather waster 30k or more on a few Mark IVs and be scared to use them because they are so expensive, when they can load up 2 Mark I launchers on a Y-Wing LP or an X-Wing and spam missles on the cheap (and not feel bad to losing a missle to a countermeasure)
On Chilastra there is a glut from what I can see of looted parts. I am drowning in a sea of Tier 1 & 2 parts , the bazaar is full of people selling looted parts for stupidly high prices hoping for a sucker, and starship vendors are clogged up with this junk as well (I have had to build a new house to store this space garbage) - Sadly many shipwrights are not bothering to label their wares so its really hard to tell the hand crafted ones from the loot.
Im seriously considering simply destroying all my tier 1 & 2 parts unless they are truly exceptional after a RE. They arent worth the space the take up.
Repair kits are a nice trade as well, specially armor, sheild, & reactor repair kits (of course general purpose are as well). Conduit repair kits are a good thing to have too. Paint & texture kits have been nice sellers as well
On Chilastra there is a glut from what I can see of looted parts. I am drowning in a sea of Tier 1 & 2 parts , the bazaar is full of people selling looted parts for stupidly high prices hoping for a sucker, and starship vendors are clogged up with this junk as well (I have had to build a new house to store this space garbage) - Sadly many shipwrights are not bothering to label their wares so its really hard to tell the hand crafted ones from the loot.
Im seriously considering simply destroying all my tier 1 & 2 parts unless they are truly exceptional after a RE. They arent worth the space the take up.
Repair kits are a nice trade as well, specially armor, sheild, & reactor repair kits (of course general purpose are as well). Conduit repair kits are a good thing to have too. Paint & texture kits have been nice sellers as well
Kilun
Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:27 pm
#4
You are not complaining about selling Chassis are you? Those you to many resources for me to really care to make them, as for selling them I keep usually 1 of each Master one my vendor if I can, and they sell once every couple days, and at 10cr/unit I make a about a 750k from each on that sells.
Missiles, yes, some shipwright will only make and sell them, it will be great as they will always been needed. Same goes for people making Repair Kits(don't know how the Repair all works in the MP Master ships, whether you can use those to repair items or need specific) and Paint/Texture Kits.
As for everything looted is better, I think your far off, yes some people don't care about the extra damage, faster rate, etc, as it isn't the biggest difference.
Weapons: I've only looted one that was better, and it was RE 7, and took me a couple days with the guild to RE it, and no one I know uses them unless they are to lazy to visit me, sure it a fair amount are .650ish around Armor/Shields, but when they fire at .450 and use 32e/s who is going to use them? Did I mention normally horrible damage and Mass? Good ones are around, but not good enough and the Great ones almost always require to be RE'd.
Capacitors: I'm glad, I like loot, and it saves my hand from crafting a hundred things.
Droid Interfaces: Wow..wish I would of Crafted a ton of those 12.1speed Mark I's I was making..I'd jack them up 100k today. (Go visit the bazaar and buy anything with 15 or lower)
Armor: If people are paying attention, these should sell just as well as damn Missiles. They decay on these is way to much. Two or 3 repairs and you just about got yourself down to the next Mark Level.
Engines: Yes, another thing that can be looted better, but with as many people that Overcharge their Engine, they will be soon needing bought ones.
Shields: I have yet to find one remotely close to a Crafted one.
Boosters: This can go either way, I use both types, depending on what I want from it.
Reactors: Not a looted one I've seen comes close to what I can do, they are always higher mass than what I can craft. If people were smart these are the things that they would always buy custom made to their ship.
JeCy
Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:29 pm
#5
Yea i agree, shipwright is NOT a money maker at all. Though i guess a few have done well. I have made all of 500k,, I could have sold the resources i used just to master as most was nice, for 30 million it would have went in a day. Instead i got a vendor full of chasis, and im making reactors and missles.
Everyone is happy with the reactors stocking my vendor with um.
Missles, well duh : ) another stock
armor, Well if your a newbie low end ship i can make better than any loot i have seen, that being said its just really light weight low protect that most ships will tear through. Though i did get some nice teir 4 loot, need one more part to RE, i have 3, it will come out 2000 mass, 550 HP thats some sweet armor. Ill make some really light armor but i dought it will sell.
Sheilds, i have played with um though havent really found a sweet spot, speicaly seeing im testing in a tie right now, they cant hold crap. 20k mass Find some good parts and RE i have yet to find them though
Boosters, these are more a custom thing, person wants fast recharge, or higher speed or what ever.. its all personal preference if ya ask me.
engines, RE it
weapons, ditto, though i havent found good stuff, i can make a decent weapon, just not up to what i have heard some people talk about, loot that is.
Droid mech, havent played with um at all and no one has asked.
capasitor, no one has asked, mine are decent compared to the loot i have found, but its all low lvl stuff.
Je'Cy Dax
Caeled
Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:53 pm
#6
I actually sell a fair amount of everything i can make.. missles i haven't sold a lot of because i just haven't gotten the radioactive to make them yet. otherwise im getting an order or to per day sent to me for parts.. Paint kits and texture kits are big sellers as well. and with the publish today my Mark 5 engines with a speed enhancer runs at 101.1 top speed granted the mass is 32-33k but still.. then agian i am also the master shipwright 2 guilds it self and i am located in a city that just got to metropolis. since i made master SW 3 days after JTL went livei have made almost twice what i spent on getting to master. about 20million now. and i charge cheap compare to the rest of my server.. so i have been told anyway.. i charge at 6 cpu for everything. and master ships are 1million credits.
BlkHwkDwn
Tue Nov 16, 2004 3:12 pm
#7
I can't thik of any single item that I dont sell regularly. What I would advise everyone to start doing is put up RE'd parts on your vendor, but only put up RE'd parts that are better than what you can make. Those sell well as well. If you are getting into this late accept that many people already have a shipwright they go to. Most people will only change Shipwrights if that person runs out of stock, or begins to vastly overcharge, Keep a FULLY stocked vendor at all times. I replace everything that is bought at least once a day. My customers, who keep coming back, I see the same names over and over, know that I will have waht they need.
Loki_Ashaman
Tue Nov 16, 2004 3:52 pm
#8
Weapons and Shields are my big sellers, and are what I specialize in at the moment. I don't get alot of sales compared to what I have heard others get(I don't advertise much since not master yet), but I good sales and good repeat business for upgrades.
Mkappus
Wed Nov 17, 2004 1:32 am
#9
Skuzz,
What do you base that assertion on?
Shipwrights rarely sell chassis anymore.
The only crafted item we can make better than looted is reactors, and some looted ones are awesome.
Players can now sell looted items to chassis dealers for cash, so they are less willing to give things to us to reverse engineer.
We sell missles and countermeasures right now, other than that looted items are in much higher demand than crafted.
Funkbacca
Wed Nov 17, 2004 1:37 am
#10
well, that and Paint and Texture Kits. 
I'm small scale and I do sell a chassis or two every day, usually face to face. They are definitely sitting on my vendors.
I _am_ glad they addressed the Ship Vendors not showing on the Planetary map. I'll be curious to see what effect this has on my business.
I'm small scale and I do sell a chassis or two every day, usually face to face. They are definitely sitting on my vendors.
I _am_ glad they addressed the Ship Vendors not showing on the Planetary map. I'll be curious to see what effect this has on my business.
Skuzz
Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:55 am
#11
Mkappus,
Im basing my comments on what im seeing on my server. From what im reading it seems that its varying wildly on various servers tho. Whats really interesting is the missle comments here. I have been hunting high and low for launchers and missles on lowca and cant find any anywhere. And when I speak to SW's about making some they say they arent worth it and they do their best to discourage me from wanting them. Very weird indeed as it seems these are the bread and butter for many SW's based off the forums at least.
Im basing my comments on what im seeing on my server. From what im reading it seems that its varying wildly on various servers tho. Whats really interesting is the missle comments here. I have been hunting high and low for launchers and missles on lowca and cant find any anywhere. And when I speak to SW's about making some they say they arent worth it and they do their best to discourage me from wanting them. Very weird indeed as it seems these are the bread and butter for many SW's based off the forums at least.
Message Edited by Skuzz on 11-17-2004 09:56 AM
Emenikan
Wed Nov 17, 2004 11:23 am
#12
Reactors, Engines(Since Patch), Shields, Missiles and Launchers, Countermeasures, Paint kits, Repair kits, Chassis, and Blasters 
Kinshi
Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:18 pm
#13
Its silly to expect to make a steady business selling chassis. Once everyone has the ship of their dreams (or 3), they have zero need to buy a new chassis and it will be a LONG time before any of those chassis decay to the point of needing replacement.
As far as RE is concerned, whats the point in RE'ing low tier parts anyway? MOst people will be upgrading as high as they can go, so if I am going to RE its only going to be on parts that are damn good to start with, as RE'ing everything is a waste of time. I am happy the chassis broker buys these crap parts because nobody but shipwrights wants them (and SW. will just wind up with only a slightly better RE crap part that doesnt sell). Its a waste of time and space to RE low end parts. (ad to those unhappy about competing with the chassi broker, dont be, as I have seen the bazarr and countless vendors clogged with crap nobody wants, and its a paint in the ass to sort through 600 crap loot peices to find 1 good peice.
And its a benifiet to you too because then you can list only good parts and it will kill those fraud sales on the bazaar (the ones charging 6k for a crappy tier 1 part) hoping to sucker in some poor noob.
SW made armor seems to be a LOT better than what falls off of NPCs, same goes for shield generators. I have seen much better HPs & armor on player made sheilds and armor. I think those are good selling items (especially with add-ons). ALso the best weapons I have equipped have been player made as well.
Again, forget about being Watto and selling every peice of junk under the Suns and concentrate on selling decent parts
As far as RE is concerned, whats the point in RE'ing low tier parts anyway? MOst people will be upgrading as high as they can go, so if I am going to RE its only going to be on parts that are damn good to start with, as RE'ing everything is a waste of time. I am happy the chassis broker buys these crap parts because nobody but shipwrights wants them (and SW. will just wind up with only a slightly better RE crap part that doesnt sell). Its a waste of time and space to RE low end parts. (ad to those unhappy about competing with the chassi broker, dont be, as I have seen the bazarr and countless vendors clogged with crap nobody wants, and its a paint in the ass to sort through 600 crap loot peices to find 1 good peice.
And its a benifiet to you too because then you can list only good parts and it will kill those fraud sales on the bazaar (the ones charging 6k for a crappy tier 1 part) hoping to sucker in some poor noob.
SW made armor seems to be a LOT better than what falls off of NPCs, same goes for shield generators. I have seen much better HPs & armor on player made sheilds and armor. I think those are good selling items (especially with add-ons). ALso the best weapons I have equipped have been player made as well.
Again, forget about being Watto and selling every peice of junk under the Suns and concentrate on selling decent parts
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