Shipwright Archive
Thread: Why are other ShipWrights mad at me?
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SenorMister
Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:39 am
#1
I know I will get one starred for this, but...
I charge 1.75 cpu for all my stuff that I make. I am a master shipwright. Other shipwrights on my server are getting seriously P.O.ed at me because I charge this. They say it ruins the economy and my prices alone will destroy Naritus's economy.. Now... forgive me for wanting to help my customers. I mine my own materials and what not so I can charge these prices. I've also seen other shipwrights on here get mad at people who charge lower prices. Why is that ? If I'm missing something, please inform me, thanks!
Atreus47
Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:54 am
#2
1.75 cpu? You're giving yourself carpel tunnel for 1.75 cpu? Grind resources sell for 2-3cpu. You're taking a raw resources, making a product, and selling the product for less then the value of the raw resources on the open market. Sure, maybe you mine your own for less then 1cpu but what is your time worth? You gather the resources which takes time, you craft SW stuff which kinda sucks because you have to hand craft everything. You probably have to overhead for vendors and a house to place them in, plus travel.
If anyone should be angry, it's you.
If anyone should be angry, it's you.
Atreus47
Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:57 am
#3
Couple more things...
What happens when everyone on the server has plenty of SW parts and you can't sell anything anymore? The market is already saturated, take what profit you can while you can.
Secondly, if I were a SW on your server I'd buy you out and resell at a much more profitable mark up. You'd be doing all the work, I'd be making all the money. Think about that also.
What happens when everyone on the server has plenty of SW parts and you can't sell anything anymore? The market is already saturated, take what profit you can while you can.
Secondly, if I were a SW on your server I'd buy you out and resell at a much more profitable mark up. You'd be doing all the work, I'd be making all the money. Think about that also.
Thunderbyte
Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:57 am
#4
It sounds to me like the other shipwrights have explained why they're upset with you.
Most of the time when shipwrights (or any other crafter) charges prices so low they're just trying to undercut everyone else, even when you harvest your own resources there's still so little profit in charging 1.75 CPU for everything. I totally understand charging whatever price makes you happy, but for most people that happy price is a little higher, otherwise taking the hours and hours of crafting into consideration just doesn't make SW worth most peoples time (unless they're mostly wanting to help themselves and friends, which is what I do anyways).
Personally I consider charging so little leads to unsustainable inventory, and it just doesn't do it for me to charge less than the product is really worth. Earning money in space is incredably easy, it was designed that way to help pilots when it came to purchasing ships and parts. Charging less than the average ground crafted item is just selling yourself short, and don't be suprised by the occasional remark from your fellow crafters.
IIscandar
Mon Mar 14, 2005 1:38 am
#5
I know I say this alot but my armorsmith buddies charge 20cpu and up! Sure 1.75 cpu seems reasonable when you look at the end price of a shipwright product due to the large amount of resources, but in the end 1.75 cpu makes shipwright the least profitable crafting profession of all. Still, out of all my customers, I've only had one person question my price of 5cpu for chassis and 12 cpu for components. One! out of the last 50. Once I explained the amount of high quality resources, and timeit takes to make ship parts, there was no problem at all. It is perception. I know of shipwrights who charge 20cpu for components and can't keep things stocked.
So, it is like walmart moving into a town and undercutting all the local businesses and they end up folding because the customer base moves to the cheaper prices. All these Mom and Pop stores that might have great products and service, die because they either can't compete or just can't justify their services for such a low price.
-Padre-
Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:50 am
#6
SenorMister wrote:
Why are other ShipWrights mad at me?
I charge 1.75 cpu for all my stuff that I make.
you know whats funnier than you baiting the whole lot of us not on your server? i mean, LOTS funnier than you being a baiter?
this is funnier: you're completely right. dude, if you're not in it to make some cash, why not just craft for free. here's a simple rule: resources cost about .3 to .5 cpu to harvest, depending on the %. so dont even mark up those things you're making. sell them for .6 cpu. At .6 cpu you will not only be able to pay for your house, but your vendors as well, and still make a couple thousand credits a week.
i mean, you're out to help your fellow players right?
go for it! be the first truly un-greedy shipwright ever! roxxors your server with your insane generosity! make everyone your friend! do it man, seriously!
god, clowns like you are what make playing MMORPG's fun. if i played on your server i wouldnt be angered by your Crazy Eddie pricing schemes. id cheer you on as i switched from 1 crafting profession to another and had all my friends keep your fingers burning with click-click-click-craft-it-faster-click-click-click-1.75cpu-click-click-clikc madness.
if only there were more people like you in the world. cheeseburgers wouldnt cost a dollar anymore.
you get my vote!
Tokklyym
Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:30 pm
#7
If I charged what you charged for parts, I would do nothing in game but make parts.
If you think your time is worth that much, go crazy. But my time is worth much more than that. I charge what it costs me to aquire the high-end resources necessary to make the components I do, as well as the time it takes me to craft the sub-components and then the components. Not to mention maintaining my vendor, dealing with special orders, questions from customers, reverse engineering for myself, reverse engineering for my customers.
That, to me, is worth much more than 1.75 cpu.
If you think your time is worth that much, go crazy. But my time is worth much more than that. I charge what it costs me to aquire the high-end resources necessary to make the components I do, as well as the time it takes me to craft the sub-components and then the components. Not to mention maintaining my vendor, dealing with special orders, questions from customers, reverse engineering for myself, reverse engineering for my customers.
That, to me, is worth much more than 1.75 cpu.
Bulak
Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:49 pm
#8
I am nota shipwright, but I did consider it at one point and got to level 2112 before I dropped it. This is my observation on this.
A shipwright charging insanely low prices. The time and money it takes me to master shipwright is a major investment. My calculations are that the ammount of money and time it would take me to earn back my investment make it not worth it. So I buy what I can from these discounters.
I am a JTL junkie and am now grinding my third master. So I am always buying ships, parts, etc. I find a cheap place with reasonable quality stuff and a lot of stock. But there are also alot of junk...and I mean JUNK. Considering the thousands of resources needed to make things, you can't expect the SW to be usingthe best resources all the time, so I pick through the mess to find the best items there.
Ireturn to the vendor and snacth up all the good thing leaving the garbage behind. Then after a while the stock dwindles and it it closes down. Repete this a couple times now with different shipwrights. This is typical
Now, there's 2 possible reasons for this. The SW's business dries up and doesn't sell anymore, or the SW suffers crafter's burn-out.
The bottom line is that I always return to the "good" shipwrights that might charge a lot more for thier items, but produce fewer and higher quality products. If I spend what time I have to play grinding hard, I can easily make 500k credits a week, and that doesn't include selling the parts I looted. Cash can be made fast and I rather bespending 650k for a better quality chassis over a inferior 300k one.
As a customer, kudos for a shop that sells high quality products at bargin basement prices. That's just more money in my pocket for spending on weapons andarmour(that sell for 20-30cpu AND can be factory made) and on stupid house decorations. I enjoy being rich without having to put any effort into it.
UmmonPrime
Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:24 am
#9
How long have you been a shipwright?
Doing it the way you are, is going to cause you some major burnout. You won't be able to keep up with customer demand and SWG is going to feel like a job. People are going to harass you when your vendor is empty and complain to ever other SW because their prices are not as low as yours when they have to go some where else.
Golrok
Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:56 am
#10
There will always be lowballers its just part of the game. The beauty of it is they have no factory support to support their lowballing agendas. In someones eyesthey seea lowballer, toanother that same guys a gouger butyou can't please everyone and there's really no need to. of course they're going to be pist at you for undercutting them but if everyone was happy we'd live in a perfect world. Its a waste of mental energy IMO to worry about lowballers or toworry about if you arebeing one.
Subcriminal
Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:45 am
#11
-Padre- wrote:
SenorMister wrote:
Why are other ShipWrights mad at me?
I charge 1.75 cpu for all my stuff that I make.
you know whats funnier than you baiting the whole lot of us not on your server? i mean, LOTS funnier than you being a baiter?
this is funnier: you're completely right. dude, if you're not in it to make some cash, why not just craft for free. here's a simple rule: resources cost about .3 to .5 cpu to harvest, depending on the %. so dont even mark up those things you're making. sell them for .6 cpu. At .6 cpu you will not only be able to pay for your house, but your vendors as well, and still make a couple thousand credits a week.
i mean, you're out to help your fellow players right?
go for it! be the first truly un-greedy shipwright ever! roxxors your server with your insane generosity! make everyone your friend! do it man, seriously!
god, clowns like you are what make playing MMORPG's fun. if i played on your server i wouldnt be angered by your Crazy Eddie pricing schemes. id cheer you on as i switched from 1 crafting profession to another and had all my friends keep your fingers burning with click-click-click-craft-it-faster-click-click-click-1.75cpu-click-click-clikc madness.
if only there were more people like you in the world. cheeseburgers wouldnt cost a dollar anymore.
you get my vote!
Go padre!
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