Shipwright Archive
Thread: Reverse Engineering and Firespray fragments.. The Facts.
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caelfoth
Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:23 am
#1
12,000+ RE components done. 4 full schematics and 24+ duplicate fragments sitting in a bag next to me.
Here are the facts:
The fragments can come off of any part at any time at any level of Reverse engineering.
The fragments drop randomly.
Logging out and back in after getting a fragment does not set any hidden seed. The probability is on a per attempt basis, and previous attempt probabilities have no bearing.
Fragment drops are purely RANDOM.
The firespray schematics are temporary schematics allowing 3-possibly 5 or 6 uses before the schematic goes poof from the data pad.
Please try and not duplicate the Jedi "guess my prof" theory nonsense again around this.. it gives people headaches 
Happy REing.
Message Edited by caelfoth on 11-25-2004 12:24 AM
TomoRainer
Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:40 am
#2
Nice work. This is exactly the kind of results we need posted here--huge sample numbers with any possible trends.
Blizzard_1
Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:36 am
#4
Is it possible to take a part of Firespray schematic also with piece with RE 1? if i analize them, is it possible that a aprt of schematic come off or i have to analize only RE 2 or highter?
DarthDominus
Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:43 am
#5
Blizzard_1 wrote:
Is it possible to take a part of Firespray schematic also with piece with RE 1? if i analize them, is it possible that a aprt of schematic come off or i have to analize only RE 2 or highter?
Yes, you can get schematic fragments from lvl 1 RE's. I have on several occasions.
SSSnuggles
Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:08 am
#6
We've had confirmed 3 and 4 use schems, so we now believe it's 3-6. If anyone has gotten anything outside of this range I'd love to hear about it.
Zedzuada
Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:25 am
#7
SSSnuggles wrote:We've had confirmed 3 and 4 use schems, so we now believe it's 3-6. If anyone has gotten anything outside of this range I'd love to hear about it.
I got a 6 use one last night.
Zeddd
Tynvyr
Thu Nov 25, 2004 1:31 pm
#8
I love you for that. As a Master Smuggler I was shure about it from the start, but still some hard facts are good to see. *blows caelforth a kiss*
pervel
Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:04 pm
#9
caelfoth wrote:
12,000+ RE components done. 4 full schematics and 24+ duplicate fragments sitting in a bag next to me.
Here are the facts:
The fragments can come off of any part at any time at any level of Reverse engineering.
The fragments drop randomly.
Logging out and back in after getting a fragment does not set any hidden seed. The probability is on a per attempt basis, and previous attempt probabilities have no bearing.
Fragment drops are purely RANDOM.
The firespray schematics are temporary schematics allowing 3-possibly 5 or 6 uses before the schematic goes poof from the data pad.
Please try and not duplicate the Jedi "guess my prof" theory nonsense again around this.. it gives people headaches
Happy REing.
Message Edited by caelfoth on 11-25-2004 12:24 AM
Nice to see some facts. However, I think it is important to know if you have seen any change in the drop rates after patch 11.2. Some people are suggesting that there were some changes made. I have seen people stating that the drop rate in general has decreased or that they now only drop when doing RE on a Kuat loot item.
You are saying that it is "purely random". I am always a little confused what people mean by that. There has to be some (unknown) probability value in place. I think that perhaps you mean that this probability is unaffected by the level and/or type of the component(s) being RE'd. I would like to know if you have been able to see if the probability is the same when doing a single RE on 1 lvl 1 item as opposed to a single RE on 10 lvl 10 items, for instance. If you think that every time you perform RE the probability is always the same, then it is clearly much more efficient toonly RE low level stuff.
Bacacuba
Mon Nov 29, 2004 9:16 am
#10
I'll throw in that I did get a fragment from a non Kaut item after 11.2. In fact I sat in my office and RE'ed probably 200 items, nothin off any of those.I was going through Bestine when a customer sent me a tell asking how much to RE an item. It was a little Lvl1 booster so I did it for nothing cause I was in a good mood... and what have I here.. a 4/8 fragment. I told the customer I'd gotten one and asked if she was needing it for anything. She replied that she was only part time on my galaxy and I was welcome to keep it. I think I'll just make myself a crate of tools and head off to Lok or Dath station and RE for people running missions for a few days and see how things go.
P.S. - Krun, I am in awe of your RE buisness on Flurry. I stop in regularly shopping for parts myself when I'm in the area, which is rather often as I am partially based out of Summits Edge not far from there. Oh, and if you're in neede of a 6/8 fragment, I've to one to trade.
DocSavag
Mon Nov 29, 2004 9:47 am
#11
I got 6 unique parts and 2 duplicates in the first 2 weeks after launch and nothing at all since pub 11.2 even though I've gone through almost an entire crate of Analysis tools. I have to think that the rate was changed.
Lord-Asp
Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:30 am
#12
I know that I have received schem disk parts from level 1 items, even non-Kuat named parts. I have also got a disk from re'ing a lvl 2 kuat booster with a lvl 2 Corellian booster. I even put the Corellian one in first. So it is random. I have gone days of re'ing lvl 1-6 parts and no disks, then some days have got 2 disks back to back. I'm only missing part 4 and 5 but I do seem to get alot of part 2 and 6 more frequently.
Dark_0ne
Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:52 am
#13
quick question :
do you think the chance is based on the component, or just the reverse engineering process.
By that I mean is there a 10x higher chance of getting a fragment from a level 10 RE than a level 1 RE because you are using 10x the number of components, or is it just a straight "dice roll" on the RE itself ?
If it is just on the RE itself, then statistically, it would be quicker, easier and cheaper to just RE level 1 loot in massive quantities to get the fragments.
do you think the chance is based on the component, or just the reverse engineering process.
By that I mean is there a 10x higher chance of getting a fragment from a level 10 RE than a level 1 RE because you are using 10x the number of components, or is it just a straight "dice roll" on the RE itself ?
If it is just on the RE itself, then statistically, it would be quicker, easier and cheaper to just RE level 1 loot in massive quantities to get the fragments.
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