Shipwright Archive
Thread: Silly Dev's, Chassis are for cars!
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GraySeven
Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:49 pm
#1
Can we please get the chassis dealer changed to the hull dealer. Ships have hulls, then you "fit out" the hull. Cars have chassis, not ships.
Trebs
Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:57 pm
#2
This came up during beta - devs posted a number of items, including dictionary definitions and book phrases... Pretty sure it is gonna stay chassis
ObiQuixote
Sat Oct 30, 2004 5:06 pm
#3
From dictionary.com
chas·sis
1. The rectangular, usually steel frame, supported on springs and attached to the axles, that holds the body and motor of an automotive vehicle.
2. The landing gear of an aircraft, including the wheels, skids, floats, and other structures that support the aircraft on land or water.
3. The frame on which a gun carriage moves forward and backward.
4. The framework to which the components of a radio, television, or other electronic equipment are attached.
hull
1.
a. The dry outer covering of a fruit, seed, or nut; a husk.
b. The enlarged calyx of a fruit, such as a strawberry, that is usually green and easily detached.
2.
a. Nautical. The frame or body of a ship, exclusive of masts, engines, or superstructure.
b. The main body of various other large vehicles, such as a tank, airship, or flying boat.
3. The outer casing of a rocket, guided missile, or spaceship.
chas·sis
1. The rectangular, usually steel frame, supported on springs and attached to the axles, that holds the body and motor of an automotive vehicle.
2. The landing gear of an aircraft, including the wheels, skids, floats, and other structures that support the aircraft on land or water.
3. The frame on which a gun carriage moves forward and backward.
4. The framework to which the components of a radio, television, or other electronic equipment are attached.
hull
1.
a. The dry outer covering of a fruit, seed, or nut; a husk.
b. The enlarged calyx of a fruit, such as a strawberry, that is usually green and easily detached.
2.
a. Nautical. The frame or body of a ship, exclusive of masts, engines, or superstructure.
b. The main body of various other large vehicles, such as a tank, airship, or flying boat.
3. The outer casing of a rocket, guided missile, or spaceship.
GraySeven
Sat Oct 30, 2004 5:12 pm
#4
I hate to say this, but as an avid reader of sci-fi of all types (not just the SW EU) I have never, not once, ever seen a starship referred to as having a chassis. It has always been hull. Always. I can go to my bookshelf and pick up any number of books and give you a page number that refers to the ships hull.
If someone can show me any sci-fi source that refers to a starship chassis, please do so, because until I see it I won't believe it.
If the Dev's don't change this its because it was named by some high muckety who won't fess up that they made a mistake.
Oh, and if someone has the post where the Dev's already discussed this, I'd like to read it.
RemoMoxey
Sat Oct 30, 2004 5:37 pm
#5
GraySeven wrote:
I hate to say this, but as an avid reader of sci-fi of all types (not just the SW EU) I have never, not once, ever seen a starship referred to as having a chassis. It has always been hull. Always. I can go to my bookshelf and pick up any number of books and give you a page number that refers to the ships hull.
If someone can show me any sci-fi source that refers to a starship chassis, please do so, because until I see it I won't believe it.
If the Dev's don't change this its because it was named by some high muckety who won't fess up that they made a mistake.
Oh, and if someone has the post where the Dev's already discussed this, I'd like to read it.
The hull is the outside.....the chassis is the inner support structure. Technically your skin isa hull and your skeleton is a chassis.
The beta boards have been shut down, so no discussion link for you.
Zaket
Sat Oct 30, 2004 6:06 pm
#6
There was a big discussion of this in beta. The devs flat out said it wasn't going to change.
GraySeven
Sat Oct 30, 2004 6:15 pm
#7
On a nautical ship, there is no chassis. The hull is both outer covering and support structure, with the interior supports being called ribs and beams. The inner support structure of a ship is attached to the inside of the hull with crossmembers giving rigidity.
What a shipwright builds is, for all purposes, a hull.
In a nautical shipyard (not counting the modular shipyard in one of the Nordic countries) a basic hull is built and then fitted out with propulsion, guidance systems and controls, etc. In military yards, ships of the same type share the same hull but are often very different on the inside as the design evolves based on what was learned building the previous ship of the series.
The Dev's can say what they want, but the use of Chassis in this context is both wrong and very annoying. And the Dev's have said numerous times that things "won't change" only to have them changed.
This means nothing in a game-play context but is just another annoying little mistake that takes a bit away from the "feel" of the game.
Trebs
Sat Oct 30, 2004 6:23 pm
#8
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Missions&message.id=3609&highlight=chassis+hull#M3609
By JFreeman:
Hmm. I don't think so. Do a google search for "airplane chassis", for example. Or even "space craft chassis":
http://www.hohmanntransfer.com/top/contour/concha.htm
Trebs
Sat Oct 30, 2004 6:24 pm
#9
PS - Beta boards may be buried, but Dev Tracker still works (post was on 10/1)
AtPlay
Sat Oct 30, 2004 6:26 pm
#10
GraySeven wrote:Can we please get the chassis dealer changed to the hull dealer. Ships have hulls, then you "fit out" the hull. Cars have chassis, not ships.
Ill give you the basic gist of the developer comment.
Google Spacecraft Chassis, there are plenty of references to choose from. The Contour Spacecraft Chassis, for example.
Generally speaking, Engineers use the term "Chassis" and everyone else uses "Hull" when referring to anything that flies (in this context).
GraySeven
Sat Oct 30, 2004 6:38 pm
#11
I get "Access Denied" when attempting to check the Beta posts
Yes, engineers use the term chassis, especially on "spacecraft" which are (IMO) a lot different than "starships". Most notibly, for satellites and other space-going equipment such as probes.
But in the Sci-fi context (which, suprisingly enough this game is) starship hulls is the term most often used.
Check out the SW books which mention the Kuat and Bilbringi (sp?) shipyards which quite often mention the hulls under construction.
And I believe it was a SSD Hull that was stolen in one of the Rogue Squadron books? Regardless, there has never been any mention of starship chassis in the SW Universe aside from this game.
PyronFirewalker
Sat Oct 30, 2004 6:43 pm
#12
The argument to this would be that writers not engineers wrote those books. 
AtPlay
Sat Oct 30, 2004 6:54 pm
#13
PyronFirewalker wrote:The argument to this would be that writers not engineers wrote those books.
Actually, I was just going to post something similar. To me, it is more of a question why the writers used "hull" instead of "chassis," but it was probably just trying to use an easier word to describe almost the same thing.
The point is moot tho, really. The Developers have chosen to use the word "chassis" (again, I feel this is much more accurate than "hull" when used in this current context), and they have already stated that they will not change it.
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