Shipwright Archive
Thread: Where can I buy a Good Starship Crafting Station?
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Pawlin
Tue Nov 02, 2004 3:24 pm
#1
Brilyn wrote:
Try your server trade forum.
Your *bound* to have an Arch falling over himself to charge you 150k and up for the priviledge....... /rolleyes.
(Yeah, I just paid 70k for a 42 rated Weapon station after having to *teach* the Arch how to do it. How happy was I when he doubled the price for the 40+ Starship ones....... Droids are cheap, portable, and I don't have to deal with a moron to get one (and ratings mean nothing to those who don't know)).
So you had to *teach* the architect how to do it? Did you also supply him all the high rating materials? Are you an ex-architect? Or did you just read the FAQ?
Prices do vary on crafting stations and its mostly driven by supply and demand like anything. Supply and demand is the same thing that allows weaponsmiths to charge high CPU values for most guns they make. Its what makes a DE-10 go for 2.2Mil at auction. But I'm sure you realize allthat ...
Also, note for anyone looking for stations the 45.0 or 44.9 level stations can only be made using sub-components left over from the one day crafting change back in March. Most architects didn't make parts and/or don't have any left. So please understand if an architect can't break 43.0 - 44.0 or so (varies by server) with their stations because thats all current experimentation will allow.
Brilyn
Tue Nov 02, 2004 3:53 pm
#2
< So you had to *teach* the architect how to do it? >
Yes.
The Arch was waiting for 900+ Conductivity Steel to spawn, pre-JTL.
The first Arch called me a liar when I told him it didn't exist. He came back a couple days later with an apology.
The second listened.
Both had apparently been waiting on this spawn of uber-steel for 6+ weeks.
< Did you also supply him all the high rating materials? >
Yes. I offered to supply 1k of high-rated Steel for nothing (900+ OQ, 600+ Con), if he had none. The second took me up on my offer once he realised it was needed.
< Are you an ex-architect? >
Yes, thanks for asking.
Any more questions?
< So please understand if an architect can't break 43.0 - 44.0 or so (varies by server) with their stations because thats all current experimentation will allow. >
Yup, that's perfectly understandable.
I was looking for a 40+ station to sit in my shop, as I had a couple of customers decline my custom weaponry on the basis that I didn't have a 40+ station.
Funnily enough, I get the same results from my droid station as I do from the new-and-shiney 42-rated station I have.
Pawlin
Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:19 pm
#3
Brilyn wrote:
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< Are you an ex-architect? >
Yes, thanks for asking.
Any more questions?
...
Why did you quit architect?
Whats the average CPU you charge for the weaponsmith guns you sell?
In general is it ok for weaponsmiths to charge a higher CPU but not ok for architects to do so?
Is it ok for you to auction a DE-10 for 2.2M allowing the supply and demand forces in our free market capitalism system to favor your pocket book but notok for an architect to sell their goods at a higher price if the free market will bear it?
BTW, as far as the effect of the crafting station ratings, I agree there is no solid evidence of any demonstraded impact. I've tested -14 versus +44 and not seen a noticable difference. SOE has only said that it "influences" it. But you know that its peoples perceptions that drive the demand for them like how your customers expected you to use a high rating station.
Brilyn
Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:11 pm
#4
What's with the 3rd degree?
If someone helps me figure out how to make a better product (because they want that product) I'll throw them it for free.
I also have issue with people inflating the price on an item *only* because it's new, and because people are ignorant. These Architects in question aren't selling "Ship Crafting stations for 150k", they're selling "40+ rated Ship Crafting stations for 150k".
Which either makes them ignorant of the system, or people who want to prey on people's fears (which makes them scum, frankly).
Since you're in the mood to attack me, I'll answer your questions.....
< Why did you quit architect? >
Stress-related, mainly. People failing to understand what "non-refundable deposit of 25%" meant when they canceled a PA order two hours later. Having to pay them simply to avoid the inevitable whine-fest that was sure to follow.
Trying to sell at the market price of 100k or so for BER13 Harvs (roughly 3cpu, I think), and then my supplier went from 1cpu for ore, to 2cpu. That pretty much was the straw that broke the camel's back, as they say.
That and the sheer volume of resources needed was rather insane for a new char/player to have the deal with.
< Whats the average CPU you charge for the weaponsmith guns you sell? >
I haven't a clue. I don't price them that way.
I know (offhand) that VKs take about 85 resources total, and I sell for 10k. so thats what, 120cpu?
And yeah, priced in *that* context they sound *hugely* over-priced. 
I ain't arguing with you on the Arch's generally being shafted on the margins they (essentially) have to have to compete. See the next question.
< In general is it ok for weaponsmiths to charge a higher CPU but not ok for architects to do so? >
Frankly, I think Heavy Harvs should be going for 500k and up, for a reasonable amount of markup.
< Is it ok for you to auction a DE-10 for 2.2M allowing the supply and demand forces in our free market capitalism system to favor your pocket book >
I start all my auctions at a 50k min bid, or whatever it cost me to make the item, if I *seriously* need to make the money back.
Feel free to check my auction history. I've started an auction for a DE-10 at 50k, and one at 1mil (I think it was). Both went up from there, of course.
I also consider auction sales a completely different species to vendor sales. Auction sales are almost *always* higher as people will push each other up, and it frequently becomes a matter of ego.
Weapon-wise, I tend to charge based on what the weapon will get the person buying it. As such, (non-enhanced) Elite-level weaponry is priced just about across the board at 10k. Some exceptions occur, such as the T21, as a lot of the base resources are rare, and need to be purchased at high CPU (I've paid 50cpu for 10k Alantium Carbonate Ore, as it was out-of-spawn for 2+ months at the time).
A 42-rated Starship Crafting device doesn't provide more value than a 42-rated anythingelse-crafting device. (or a 10-rated one, for that matter).
I accept that it takes a hell of a lot more work, having made a couple in my time, but I consider a doubling of the price to be price-gouging opportunism at it's *worst*, and view anyone who partakes in it as scum of the highest order.
Feel free to disagree. *shrug*
RasalTheWise
Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:28 pm
#5
Yep, that's what most of my customers say. I'll let you in on a little secret about private crafting station modules for droids: They're not rated. At all. They neither help nor hinder the outcome of a crafted item. Actually they are a remnant of how crafting stations used to work when SWG was first launched. Oh, and the quality of a crafting module bears no effect on its performance.
Brilyn wrote:Funnily enough, I get the same results from my droid station as I do from the new-and-shiney 42-rated station I have.
/DoorCrashesOpen
/DroidEngineerPoliceBreakIn
Oh no, they're onto me!!!
/ArrestsRasalForDeliveringTradeSecret
Brilyn
Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:36 pm
#6
< /ArrestsRasalForDeliveringTradeSecret >
Actually, TH beat you to that one.
Way WAY back when he was doing the 13 questions, he said they count has having a rating of '0'.
RasalTheWise
Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:45 pm
#7
Yeah, that's where I got the info. But, spreading information is good.
Pawlin
Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:59 pm
#8
Brilyn wrote:
What's with the 3rd degree?
Refer to your original post ...
"Your *bound* to have an Arch falling over himself to charge you 150k and up for the priviledge....... /rolleyes."
"I just paid 70k for a 42 rated Weapon station after having to *teach* the Arch how to do it. "
"... Droids are cheap, portable, and I don't have to deal with a moron to get one ..."
Considering that I'm an architect, what about what you said do you think I might not like?
I read that and thought that maybe you were saying that architects are gouging people,need to be taught how to make their own goods in the first place and are morons.
Which either makes them ignorant of the system, or people who want to prey on people's fears (which makes them scum, frankly).
Scum or ignorant. I think there are other possibilities.
Since you're in the mood to attack me,
Attack? No,I'm just asking you a few questions about your thoughts on pricing.
I didn't use words like moron or scum.
I'll answer your questions.....
....
I know (offhand) that VKs take about 85 resources total, and I sell for 10k. so thats what, 120cpu?
And yeah, priced in *that* context they sound *hugely* over-priced.
So it is OK for you to charge that "hugely over-priced" rate for your goods?
Yet if someone else over prices in your opinion by your definitionsthen they are "scum"?
I ain't arguing with you on the Arch's generally being shafted on the margins they (essentially) have to have to compete. See the next question.
< In general is it ok for weaponsmiths to charge a higher CPU but not ok for architects to do so? >
Frankly, I think Heavy Harvs should be going for 500k and up, for a reasonable amount of markup.
Why wouldn't that be gouging? I'd be making about a 450k profit per harvester over my costs and thats if I buy the materials myself. Seems like gouging to me. In what circumstances would that be reasonable? If there was low demand? Or if architects had fixed prices? Isn't that just another form of opportunism as well?
< Is it ok for you to auction a DE-10 for 2.2M allowing the supply and demand forces in our free market capitalism system to favor your pocket book >
I start all my auctions at a 50k min bid, or whatever it cost me to make the item, if I *seriously* need to make the money back.
Feel free to check my auction history. I've started an auction for a DE-10 at 50k, and one at 1mil (I think it was). Both went up from there, of course.
I also consider auction sales a completely different species to vendor sales. Auction sales are almost *always* higher as people will push each other up, and it frequently becomes a matter of ego.
Why do you not have a buy out price? You seem to realize that peoples "ego" will jack up prices higher than otherwise. Why is putting it up for auction with no buyout not taking advantage of other people for your own financial benefit? Isn't that opportunistic?
I think its just the supply and demand setting the price in your auction. Just like crafting stations selling for 25k, 70k, 150k, etc. on a vendor is really set by the supply and demand of the market. If the market thinks the price is too high then they won't sell. If the market thinks the price is low then they will sell out quick.
Weapon-wise, I tend to charge based on what the weapon will get the person buying it. As such, (non-enhanced) Elite-level weaponry is priced just about across the board at 10k. Some exceptions occur, such as the T21, as a lot of the base resources are rare, and need to be purchased at high CPU (I've paid 50cpu for 10k Alantium Carbonate Ore, as it was out-of-spawn for 2+ months at the time).
A 42-rated Starship Crafting device doesn't provide more value than a 42-rated anythingelse-crafting device. (or a 10-rated one, for that matter).
What does an orange rug do for someone? If someone sells an orange rug for 1M are they "scum" who are just taking advantage of someones vanity and the current supply and demand situation?
I accept that it takes a hell of a lot more work, having made a couple in my time, but I consider a doubling of the price to be price-gouging opportunism at it's *worst*, and view anyone who partakes in it as scum of the highest order.
Weapons fetch higher prices because of the good market demand for them. If there was no demand for a DE10 then it wouldn't fetch 2M at auction. If there was no demand for VK's then they would not fetch 120 cpu. You don't have any qualms about making money by selling your goods for a high price to a high demand.
But if you see someone else being "opportunistic" in your mind by selling something for a higher price when there is a higher demand then you call them "scum".
Feel free to disagree. *shrug*
Yes. I disagree.
The market sets the prices. Its driven by supply and demand.
No price is too high if your customers will gladly pay it and no price is too low if you make a good enough profit.
Brilyn
Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:37 pm
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I *could* explain further, but you appear to be primarily interested in being antagonistic.
I'm sure there's space somewhere *else* for you to throw your tantrum, but then again here is as good as anywhere.
Yes, in my opinion anyone charging 150k for a crafting station is a price-gouging opportunist.
Same way I feel that anyone chargine 15k for a 130pt VK is a scum-bag too.
< No price is too high if your customers will gladly pay it and no price is too low if you make a good enough profit. >
Ah, ethics. Poor poor ethics. Gets pi$$ed on daily, mainly by people who consider 'profit' the only thing worth working for.
My apologies for expressing my opinion.
No go cry to momma like a good kid......
Pawlin
Tue Nov 02, 2004 10:16 pm
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SO now you are trying to dismiss me as a kiddie throwing a tantrum? Well thats a nice logical defense you've got there... LOL
Lets summarize your logic...
Your price 120 cpu = OK.
Someone else charging 80 -180 cpu = moron.
You auctioning rare item for 2M = OK.
Someonee else charging a premiumfor a new high demand item = scum.
I think your 'logic' stands on its own for what it is.
You are welcome to your opinion and I"m welcome to mine.
But if you call people 'scum' or 'moron' then that is not an opinion - it is an insult. You should not be surprised or offended when your insults are not well received.
K0NCEPT
Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:03 am
#11
Please Post WP
TY in advance
Message Edited by K0NCEPT on 11-02-2004 12:04 PM
Brilyn
Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:17 am
#12
Try your server trade forum.
Your *bound* to have an Arch falling over himself to charge you 150k and up for the priviledge....... /rolleyes.
(Yeah, I just paid 70k for a 42 rated Weapon station after having to *teach* the Arch how to do it. How happy was I when he doubled the price for the 40+ Starship ones....... Droids are cheap, portable, and I don't have to deal with a moron to get one (and ratings mean nothing to those who don't know)).
Barb-Wire
Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:26 am
#13
well on BRIA Donah is making and stocking 45.0 stations. try your server trade forums
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