Shipwright Archive
Thread: Reselling other SW chassis and parts (your views)
As long as the chassis are in blueprint form go for it, if they are in deed form than it becomes more difficult since there could be decay. Tyranus, I think it is acceptable to do. As a SW I sell stuff fairly cheap compared to some shipwrights, however I set my prices so that I would turn a profit on the items. So if another shipwright buys me out to resell then I still get my profit and it comes all at once! With the next patch coming up I hear chassis dealers will buy space loot from everybody meaning there may not be as much on the vendors, kind of disappointing since some people will not recognize the really good stuff. I am considering selling mainly RE'd loot since some of the stats are incredible. I had a level 3 engine yesterday RE'd that had a speed of 73, that was one of the best I have seen so far.
DingoBoi wrote:
buy 'em out! Markup and resell. Profits the easy way! Undercutters/lowballers get what they deserve.
Couldn't agree more!
Seems to me that there is more to the story than meets the eye initially.
Now, on one hand, it's perfectly understandable that many serious shipwrights are up in arms regarding those who undercut and sell ships for ridiculously cheap prices. Essentially, you're really just trying to protect the SW profession economically, which is understandable, but there are other circumstances which, in my opion (for whatever that's worth) make the practice somehwat questionable.
You see, I'm aware, as I'm sure most of us are, that there are those multi-millionaires (they'd have to be) out there that are only interested in grinding to master and could care less about the inventory they generate along the way. They price their ships low because, quite frankly, they just want to gewt rid of them and make room for the higher quality products they expect to be producing at master.
On the other hand, what about the *earnest* shipwright?
You see, I'm sure that there are other shipwrights out there that are pricing their chassis lower (albeit, not insanely low) in order to compete with other shipwrights in the market.
Let's consider a hypothetical situation for a moment. Humor me. =)
Shipwright A is not a master. In fact, Shipwright A isn't even close and has a long way to go. Perhaps his or her playtime is limited, but whatever, you get the point. Now, shipwright B IS a master and has all manner of chassis available on his or her vendor at 'reasonable' prices as per the economy.
Because shipwright B is a master, and has a larger selection of available inventory (meaning type, not necessarily quantity), more pilot players become aware of shipwright B's vendor and business goes up.
Shipwright A on the other hand is struggling. He or she is trying to generate the revenue necessary to continue their grind towards master - as well as - gain some visibility in the market place by getting their name out to the customer base.
Shipwright B see's that shipwright A has chassis for sale on their vendor for less than their own and buys out shipwright A's entire inventory.
Now, shipwright B is probably thinking that there's nothing wrong with this. After all, shipwright A got paid right? And in the end of it all, both shipwrights got what they wanted, right? Wrong.
Put yourself in shipwright A's shoes for a moment and ask yourself how this all makes you feel?
You certainly didn't get into business in order to simply be another shipwright's 'supplier' did you? If you did, well then everything would be just 'hunky dory' but odds are, you didn't, and you're hopping mad.
You're angry because a fair portion of the work you put into those chassis was specifically to get your name out and known. To drive more business to your vendors, but in the end, you wound up driving business to your customers vendors. Trust me... you're pi$$ed off.
Having said that, I'd like to reiterate that I DO see the other side of the story, as I stated above. Thing is, that as shipwrights, you have two things working for you, though it'll take time before it all plays out.
1) Your items decay. Whether rapidly or slowly (really depends on the pilot) these items DO decay. That means repeat business down the road, and from the sounds of it, down the road is where it counts.
2) The law of attrition applies. Shipwright's who sell too low will eventually have to a) increase there prices, or b) go out of business. There's no way around it - either outcome is inevitable if you don't maintain a healthy profit margin.
Granted, the attrition I speak of will take time, but it WILL happen. Trust me. Soon enough we'll start seeing a balance getting struck within the shipwright profession and the products you sell - and that's just good for everyone involved. =)
/end novel =P
But realisticly, if you want to get people buying your stuff, you've got to be seen. If someone's buying you out, tag the items with something, so people will recognise the name brand at the very least for the future.
Heck, it may be worth while to ask whoever buys you out compleatly out if they're looking for a business partner... someone to fill the lower quality orders. Either resell to them, or get a vendor in their shop. Business relationships are great... I've met some great people because of it... heck, I wouldn't have learned about EPC had it not been from one of their memebers needing a custom order filled. (Great prices at EPC shipyards...)
If you want to just help people, contact 'em, and mention thier prices are a bit off... if they don't awnser, or shrug it off, buy 'em out!
BadKarma777 wrote:
Seems to me that there is more to the story than meets the eye initially.
I agree with most of what you post. Ifshipwright A is in it for money, they'll be very happy that their stock sold. If they are in it to build an ongoing retail business, they may be less than thrilled. In either case, shipwright B is happy (if a bit poorer).
The question becomes, as a potential reseller, should I respect the feelings of shipwright A? I'm not the sort of person that goes out of their way to make other players game experience worse. But in this case, we have no idea how shipwright A is going to feel. In fact, the only thing we actually know is thatshipwright Aplaced a particular item for sale on their vendor at a particular price. The only thing shipwright B can do is assume that a purchase is advantageous to the seller. Otherwise, why is it up for sale at that price? Therefore, barring other factors, the resellershould assume that it is ok to buy out the stock.
Bottom line is this - if they have some sort of sign up indicating purchasing restrictions, I'll respect that. I would expect any violators of said policy to be banned from the shop. Absent of a clear sign, the merchant must control buying behavior through pricing. The seller has control of pricing and as a result, it's the seller's responsibility to use the tool available to them.
The smaller shipwrights would have a chance if people could actually see their vendors.
I'm a merchant and as a full on capitalist, I think that it perfectly justifiable to buy out people who are selling too low. The market is already shaking itself out... chassis sales even for the cheapies has fallen off considerably. I'm making more money selling missiles than I am selling chassis. It's a slooooow way to get that XP tho.
- Each SW could specialize in certain products
- Each SW could put vendors up in each others locations to spread out the chance of making a sale
- The work load to craft and maintain stock is divided between you