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Thread: An Observation Regarding the Sucess of a Low Baller.
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Wyelkoon
Sat Nov 13, 2004 11:46 am
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Well, I would just like to point out My example on Ahazi, and how I am doing just fine...
Me and My Partner, we lowball everything (from your viewpoint). We have sold everything at 6-7cpu and under , and we have a lot of package deals for tiered ships (45K for a fully loaded tier one, 90k for a tier 2 chassis, 180k for a tier 3 chassis, etc...) . While you say we will go bust, while you say we won't last, we had no stockpile of resources beforehand. Been buying and harvesting only since JTL came out, and we seem to be doing fine. 8 million in profits, and tons of customers. And we still chug out ships everyday
So despite you say we will go bust, we won't. We have been pushing strong since JTL came out with ZERO advanced preparation, and were doing fine. Maybe you are getting 12 million from pathetic saps who dont know how to shop and just want a ship, but we got 8 million profit, enough to last us for quite a while. In the end, perhaps its YOU who need to rethink. Perhaps its YOU.
Message Edited by Wyelkoon on 11-13-2004 10:54 AM
Rolassk
Sat Nov 13, 2004 11:58 am
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6 or 7 CPU isn't a lowball in my books.
You can sell for whatever you wish in this game, and run your business as desired. What needs to be rethought here?
*Kettemoor
Demio_Olaron
Sat Nov 13, 2004 12:09 pm
#3
Your not a lowballer, you got good prices (not too high, not too low) 
ravingbantha
Sat Nov 13, 2004 2:55 pm
#4
your not lowballing... the guy that I bought out that was selling chassi for 1 and 2 cpu... that's lowballing. I sell at 10cpu and have made about a 30 million profit since the weekend after Jtl went live and that's just off chassis sales. As far as people not shopping around right now that problem is also partially due to ship vendors listed in the ship catagory not showing up yet... plus alot of people look for convience, they don't want to hop around the galaxy to save a few CPU... If you have a well stocked and well placed vendor you will sell.
TrueBoom
Sat Nov 13, 2004 4:45 pm
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I wouldn't consider 6cpu to be low balling it. I sell for 6cpu and I'm one of the largest, if not the largest, in Bria. The only thing holding me back is the amount of steel I can mine, and buy. 10cpu is probably a bit high in my mind, but 5-6 cpu I'd say is just right. Anything under 5 is what I would consider low balling. 4 is a bit on the low side, but not terribly so. But 3 is definately too low. 2 is outrageously low and I buy out anything I see for 2-3CPU.
Wyelkoon wrote:
Me and My Partner, we lowball everything (from your viewpoint). We have sold everything at 6-7cpu and under , and we have a lot of package deals for tiered ships (45K for a fully loaded tier one, 90k for a tier 2 chassis, 180k for a tier 3 chassis, etc...) .
I can tell you from what I've seen with my own eyes on Bria though, that low ballers are really struggling right now. Those low ballers that were so proud two weeks ago, of under pricing everyone else have now either posted going out of business signs, or have upped their prices 3-4 fold within the past few days. I saw two today that had increased their prices 5 fold over last weeks prices. 
. The sticker shock of having to buy more steel must have really kicked em in the nads ya know? Of course this crap comes back to bite them two-fold, because not only are they having to recover from their heart-attacks, but their once customers are now griping about the price increases.
. The sticker shock of having to buy more steel must have really kicked em in the nads ya know? Of course this crap comes back to bite them two-fold, because not only are they having to recover from their heart-attacks, but their once customers are now griping about the price increases.Message Edited by TrueBoom on 11-13-2004 06:48 PM
Dark_0ne
Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:15 pm
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Wyelkoon wrote:Well, I would just like to point out My example on Ahazi, and how I am doing just fine...Me and My Partner, we lowball everything (from your viewpoint). We have sold everything at 6-7cpu and under , and we have a lot of package deals for tiered ships (45K for a fully loaded tier one, 90k for a tier 2 chassis, 180k for a tier 3 chassis, etc...) . While you say we will go bust, while you say we won't last, we had no stockpile of resources beforehand. Been buying and harvesting only since JTL came out, and we seem to be doing fine. 8 million in profits, and tons of customers. And we still chug out ships everydaySo despite you say we will go bust, we won't. We have been pushing strong since JTL came out with ZERO advanced preparation, and were doing fine. Maybe you are getting 12 million from pathetic saps who dont know how to shop and just want a ship, but we got 8 million profit, enough to last us for quite a while. In the end, perhaps its YOU who need to rethink. Perhaps its YOU.
Message Edited by Wyelkoon on 11-13-2004 10:54 AM
hehe - lowballing ? maybe the low/middle quartile of the market ...
Me and my brother sell chassis at 3cpu and components at 10cpu, which comes out at similar prices to you.
I think that is a sustainable long term pricing - and when the "solo group nerf" comes in, more shipwrights will tend towards that price range as well :-)
ravingbantha
Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:39 pm
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Dark_0ne wrote:
I think that is a sustainable long term pricing - and when the "solo group nerf" comes in, more shipwrights will tend towards that price range as well :-)
Yeah if resource prices go down...
Snarils
Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:51 pm
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you are hardly "lowballing"
IF you were selling things for 1-2cpu. Then you would be.
IF you were selling things for 1-2cpu. Then you would be.
WS-GodLike
Sat Nov 13, 2004 8:14 pm
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6-7 cpu sounds about a reasonable price to me as well.
I have no complaints about people selling cheap components, its good for the economy and hopefully takes away some of the custom from the people that are just ripping people off selling their stuff at twice the price and dont even bother with the optional components.
I have no complaints about people selling cheap components, its good for the economy and hopefully takes away some of the custom from the people that are just ripping people off selling their stuff at twice the price and dont even bother with the optional components.
mana333
Sat Nov 13, 2004 9:06 pm
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you know the only problem I have with selling that low is that i would have to restock a full inventory everyday. i sell chasis at 5 cpu and components at 20. If i were any cheaper i would have to make components and chasis all day just to stay stocked. And while it may seem fun in the beginning, I'm sure as time goes on it'll get old. I guess my customers have the satisfaction of knowing my vendors will be stocked, rather thengoing to the wholeseller only to find out that he sold out already.
And well im not hurting either, I average about a mil a day, logged on or not. On days i advertise at the starport i make about 3 mil a night.
Vaul
Sat Nov 13, 2004 11:39 pm
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mana333 wrote:
you know the only problem I have with selling that low is that i would have to restock a full inventory everyday. i sell chasis at 5 cpu and components at 20. If i were any cheaper i would have to make components and chasis all day just to stay stocked. And while it may seem fun in the beginning, I'm sure as time goes on it'll get old. I guess my customers have the satisfaction of knowing my vendors will be stocked, rather thengoing to the wholeseller only to find out that he sold out already.
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This is were i agree. 6-7 cpu . i guess some peolpe have lots of free resources or very cheap resources comming to them. I mean, most places on intrepid sell steel for 3 or 4 cpu. really good stuff is 6 cpu ( for now anyways ) No way i can stay in business paying 4-6 cpu and putting in the time to make all them parts my customers need and stay stocked. Sure if we could make everything in factories, then ya i could lower my prices a LOT. But for right now, assuming that most people are NOT real noobs, Do know of solo groups and how to make this money. I do nto see why i should be making less money per day as someone in a solo group. I am crafting these one after the other, answer my customers questions, taking orders, speaking to harvesters to get what i need to make the product, etc, etc
I charge a but more for now, BUT my vendors are almost always full. Some people will pay for knowing they can count on comming to my store and finding the necessities to get into space. If i do not have the luxuries ( some ammo and some launchers ) i can get it to you ni 24 hours ( 24hours probably cause i am sleeping, resting, working, etc ) if i am on and i am not helping a guildy in space ( yes i wish to fly ) then i will get you what you need asap
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Raruk
Sun Nov 14, 2004 12:34 pm
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Well I guess im a low baller...
I sell my ship's for 2cpu, and my parts for 5cpu. I also sell all looted parts for 500 credtis. why you might ask?? what am i going to do with the money?
I make rufflly 2-5million in a week. i think thats good for my upkeep of the houses, factories, and harvesters. I sell off any and all spare resoures for 1.2cpu, And sell smuggler, artisan, and now shipwright parts for what i feel is a good price.
I know alot of people out in the game hord money. they do solo groups, or sell pearls fo rmillions. thats up to them. Me, i like the fact that i sell my wares at a cheep price. why should care to increase my money from 10million in the bank to 30million.. Now if SOE makes it so I can turn credits in for play time then maybe ill jack my prices up. But i thin alot of people would like to play this game. to be able to use the tie oppressor or own a YT-1300 without having to grind up 1million credits to do it. and i feel i can give them that chance...
Now if you hate me for this, well im sorry, but that's the way econemy's run, if you want to buy out my stock and resell it.. fine. i still make my same profit, and the person who buys my stock will have to sell at less profit.
Now i have no problems in people selling for higher or lower prices. thats up to the maker to decide. me i sell for 2cpu, that works for me. then again i dont buy my resoures i have several toons, and guildies that share lots so i'm able to sell 1 tie advance and i can pay my entire harvester upkeep for 4 days. everthing after that is profit. But i do play on a server that the economy isn't out of wack (radiant) some servers i know have really messed up econemies and i can see that charging more is a nessatiy to pay for other costs that a player would accure.
Anyhow, I'm a low baller, and i feel im success full, i have several good customers, and I have fun. That to me is all that trully matters.
ravingbantha
Sun Nov 14, 2004 4:12 pm
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Raruk wrote:
Now if you hate me for this, well im sorry, but that's the way econemy's run, if you want to buy out my stock and resell it.. fine. i still make my same profit, and the person who buys my stock will have to sell at less profit.
Actually if we were on the same server I would definatly buy you out, and make far better profits than what I would normally make.... Most rescources if not now, then reall soon will be up to 5-6 cpu easy... If i buy the ships from you and keep them in back stock, them I'll have an investment for when prices will go up, and you also saved me the time of having to make the ships myself. On the weekends I'll sell 20 or so ships. Now if I have to make them it'll take probably 40-50 mins to make all these. However If I have you bought out, all I gotta do is restock....
I did this the other day and had enough spare ships to open a second branch of my shipyards, on another planet and that is going well also. So thank you lowballers... keep selling cheaply and keep letting it known where you are. Give me more time to keep my furniture vendor and deed vendor stocked.
/salute
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