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Thread: Responses to complaints about shipwrights

Hawkfire
Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:06 am
#1







New complaints added as of 11/1/2004 at 3:15pm...


**Major Update** Complaints have been placed into categories for ease of reading. If you have any complaints that need to be addressed, please feel free to post them. If they suck,well...I'll let you know.

So far we've seen a lot of complaints regarding ships (and crafting in general... prices are too high, decay is insane, blah blah blah). I've always been quiet about these types of complaints since the boards is more of a haven for whiners and noobs than anything else, but I figured I'd throw out my responses for fun...


Money - The Root of All Evil


Complaint:

"Ship prices are going to get so high!" or "Why are shipwrights charging so much??"

Response:


This has always been my response to this complaint... don't shop at that merchant! If the prices are too high, go somewhere else. People complain about prices, but then they go and spend 5 million for a friggin' rug. Geez. Why are they charging so much? Because they can, so deal. If you have a problem with it, become a shipwright, have a friend become a shipwright, or just quit. Personally the latter would probably make everyone happier if you're complaining like this.



Complaint:

"How can you sell (insert product here) for only 4cpu? Don't you know you're ruining it for the rest of us?"

Response:
Anyone who says that gets the bird from me. The simplest response: because I can, so shut yer hole. The complicated response: So what if someone is undercutting you? If life in a free market sucks that bad move to Cuba and say hi to Castro for me. Competition is a fact of life, and if someone is selling the same product as you for cheaper than you better be prepared to respond. I used to sell a droid for 10k in one city and sell that same exact model for 30k in another. Were their people selling at a price lower than me? Sure. Did I lose sales? Of course. But I kept my vendor stocked and customers kept coming back (plus I'm generally a nice guy). It's all about what the market can handle and what people are willing to pay. If you get driven out of business by some n00b selling 1/10th of your volume, you just suck at business and should go take a flying leap from the top of the Theed Waterfall.


Complaint:

"How come this person charges X cpu for a chassis while someone else charges Y cpu? I'm not paying that much! You guys are just trying to keep your prices inflated!!

Response:
Damn right! Architects got killed in the beginning because prices kept getting lower and lower until they were maybe making 4cpu for items (if they were lucky). When the only stat you have to go on is the amount of resources in a product, and the resources don't matter in the final construction you're somewhat hosed. Personally (not being an architect but having worked with many) I thought they should've all banded together and never let the prices drop below 10cpu. That would've allowed them to keep making money. As far as shipwrights go... they're gonna be making a lot of money right now, so just stop complaining already. If anyone whines about shipwrights being rich it'll be the weaponsmiths who go from making 8 million/day to 6 million/day. If only they were as successful at finding a woman as running a fake business in a virtual world maybe they wouldn't be online so much.



Complaint:

"Why are all you shipwrights gouging us?" - Similar to the above "Why are you charging so much?" but the affrontary nature of the question deems a separate response.




Response:

We are gouging you because: 1) we can, 2) you pay untold millions for completely stupid things that aren't nearly as useful as a heavy ion cannon, and 3) you're going to pay it anyway, so stop whining. A lot of us here have ground through countless professions, and people who have mastered multiple crafting professions know the pain (carpel tunnel, blurred eyesight, girlfriend/wife leaving you, etc.). Weaponsmiths have made a lot of money, so have armorsmiths. Droid engineers pretty much got the shaft, and most architects have been mining millions of units of resources just to stay in the black. Now it's our turn. We have to HANDCRAFT every friggin' item, so there's a lot of time involved (or wasted depending on how you look at it). Unless you're a complete tool you know that you tend to pay more for handcrafted items.




Complaint:

"Can't you just make the Level 5 reactor for 3k?"


Response:
Are you smoking crack? Why on earth would I do that?? Technically would I be making profit if I mined my own resources? Perhaps, but that's not the point. I have what you need, and if you don't have the money someone else will come along that does. Don't think you're special because you learned how to /tell someone. We get enough of those as it is.


Decay - Aren't Things Supposed To Just Break?

Complaint:

"If I get killed more than 7 times my ship gets so fragile!!"



Response:

What the heck are you complaining about?? Your ship was DESTROYED in a space battle and you were KILLED!! I would tend to think that a 10% decay on a ship that should, in reality, no longer exist is a small price to pay for getting yourself killed. Why don't you try using a little strategy instead of just running in guns blazing? All actions have an equal and opposite reaction, until you run into a squadron of TIEs with a barely running Y-Wing and you get stomped like the idiot you are.




Other Varied Whining - Because Sometimes You Just Need Something Else to Complain About


Complaint:
"With all the shipwrights grinding the price of steel has gone through the roof!"




Response:
Another one of these "waaah" kind of complaints. If (insert resource here) is expensive go mine your own! SOE gave you 10 lots for a reason. Stop hording all your meatlump loot drops in your 5 completely useless houses and run a harvester or two. Any crafter worth his salt will run harvesters to pick up needed materials and then supplement the hard to find stuff from a vendor.





Complaint:

"How come only people who pre-ordered JtL beta get flash speeders?"




Response:
Because we're cool and you're not. Actually, this all depends on how you look at it since a person pre-ordering a Star Wars related software program is not normally considered "cool" by normal society.



Message Edited by Hawkfire on 11-01-2004 03:12 PM





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Bloodfin: R'Tnna Teroff - Master Shipwright, Master Swordsman
RagNoRock5x
Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:09 am
#2

/clap

Bravo, but prepair to get flamed



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Hawkfire
Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:12 am
#3






RagNoRock5x wrote:

/clap

Bravo, but prepair to get flamed






Bring it on.





Chilastra: R'Tnna - Retired Master DE and Master WS for the time being
Bloodfin: R'Tnna Teroff - Master Shipwright, Master Swordsman
RagNoRock5x
Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:16 am
#4

Oh I wont

I love your comments.

I feel the same way

Its those who charge 3-4CPU and think there should be no decay and stuff that are going to try and burn you at the stake



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Rolassk
Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:21 am
#5

blunt, but to the point



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Stikjok
Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:39 am
#6






Hawkfire wrote:

So far we've seen a lot of complaints regarding ships... prices are too high, decay is insane, blah blah blah. I've always been quiet about these types of complaints since the boards is more of a haven for whiners and noobs than anything else, but I figured I'd throw out my responses for fun...


Complaint:

"Ship prices are going to get so high!" or "Why are shipwrights charging so much??"


Response:

This has always been my response to this complaint... don't shop at that merchant! If the prices are too high, go somewhere else. People complain about prices, but then they go and spend 5 million for a friggin' rug. Geez. Why are they charging so much? Because they can, so deal. If you have a problem with it, become a shipwright, have a friend become a shipwright, or just quit. Personally the latter would probably make everyone happier if you're complaining like this.




Just to add to your above point;


I am selling all blueprints at 5 cpu used to craft them. I sell Mark 1 items at 5K and will sell Mark 2 items for more (but not too much).


Ifthiose priceshigh then oh well, but with almost everything handcrafted I feel my prices are reasonable and should compensate me for my costs and time.


The customer should shop around and find the best deal, the "overchargers" will drop their prices when they see stock sitting and not selling.





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Former Crafter & Merchant
R.I.P
06-26-03 to 11-15-05
Hawkfire
Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:45 am
#7

I would say that's definitely fair, but then again this is capitalism so fairness doesn't really matter. What matters is that you're selling your product.

C'mon... where are the flamers? Complaints are all over the boards but nothing here. I guess that just proves that their points are completely invalid.





Chilastra: R'Tnna - Retired Master DE and Master WS for the time being
Bloodfin: R'Tnna Teroff - Master Shipwright, Master Swordsman
RagNoRock5x
Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:49 am
#8

I belive you might even be under charging.


I charge 10CPU for chassis and 20 CPU for components


It works great.


Its not gouging and its not selling for pennys.


Its a great pricing schem, got several customers (just about all come back) and I craft everything for them right infront of them.


Exept chassis, those go on vendor.



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warrenbassist
Fri Oct 29, 2004 8:05 am
#9

lmao gotta be the funniest crafter thread I've read yet
Hawkfire
Fri Oct 29, 2004 8:13 am
#10



warrenbassist wrote:
lmao gotta be the funniest crafter thread I've read yet





That's what happens after over a year of being frustrated with the whiners. It's bound to come out at some point.





Chilastra: R'Tnna - Retired Master DE and Master WS for the time being
Bloodfin: R'Tnna Teroff - Master Shipwright, Master Swordsman
GonkSevenT3
Fri Oct 29, 2004 8:20 am
#11


People are really complaining about decay? It takes like 43 deaths before your chassis is useless. What the heck are you doing wrong if you are dieing 43 times in a short period of time? Take a step back and reevaluate your tactics.



"How can you be so serious on a film where you are dodging explosions and running away with Sir Alec Guinness on this side and an eight-foot monkey on this side, and the eight-foot monkey is the one flying the spaceship?" ~Mark Hamill
RagNoRock5x
Fri Oct 29, 2004 8:22 am
#12

Agree with you Mr. Gonk


They should be happy about the decay. It means we no become the next Architect or DE


And I say the same things to the pilots dieing 100 times a week.



RagNoRock Kelnek - King of the Zabrak
Tahina Kelnek - Queen of the Humans
The Juggernaut of Bloodfin
Destroying terrorist Scum for 3 years and counting.
Fun and Free Online Game!
Slochini
Fri Oct 29, 2004 8:34 am
#13


I don't think you'll get too many flames here...you are among friends. Now post this in your trade forums....lol.


I dunno about you guys but I cant keep product on the vendor. Our ship prices are 25k, 75k, 150k, 400k, 700k and mo master level ships yet...no point in it. I have NO IDEA what the cpu price is but the prices are slightly higher then most of the server. Somewhine about it but whatever....I can't keep them in stock.


So far, this has been pretty crazy business wise. WAAAAY worse then the WS business I had and that was insane at time.
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