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Thread: stats on loot to satisfy curiosity
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Subcriminal
Sun Feb 27, 2005 5:20 pm
#1
I figure I'd run this question by my fellow shipwrights, since the pilots weren't being very helpful when I ran this by them.
This is a question for those of you who deal in RE'ing and see a lot of what it considered "top-quality" loot, or those of you who are BOTH SW and Pilot.
And to make it clear, yes I know we can't match what it considered the "best" loot out there. I've had very good luck with beating, matching or coming close to most items my customers have presented to me, save these prime exceptions which I have only heard about but never seen. This is all about curiosity for me.
I am interested in hard numbers of the best looted weapons and engines that you own, or have seen first-hand. If you have numbers for other types of loot, feel free to post them too because I am sure other SW's are just as curious as I am. Please post the stats of the best stuff that has passed through your hands, as well as drop frequency if you happen to know that information.
I would like to avoid seeing general statements like "yeah, loot is so much better than any crafted stuff" without any info on the stat numbers. I'm trying to find out what the stat range is for this "uber" loot is, instead of hearing rumors 
Thanks for your help
Message Edited by Subcriminal on 02-28-2005 10:28 AM
Rowgue
Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:12 am
#2
I can give you some hard numbers next time I log on, but heres the thing.
Some things SW's just cannot match against a well RE'd part in the same category. Engines are the perfect example, a good SW can make an engine that has top speed of 104 pretty easily, but try matching my RE'd engine on YPR in the low 80's. It's just not possible, and sure my top speed is only about 95 but I'll take that with 80 YPR anyday over the crafted one with 104 speed.
There are also some things that SW's can make that even some of the best RE'd loot doesn't really compare with. My most requested component is reactors. Shipwrights can make reactors with energy output far greater than all but the rarest of rare loot RE'd together.
Subcriminal
Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:50 am
#3
Rowgue wrote:
I can give you some hard numbers next time I log on, but heres the thing.
Some things SW's just cannot match against a well RE'd part in the same category. Engines are the perfect example, a good SW can make an engine that has top speed of 104 pretty easily, but try matching my RE'd engine on YPR in the low 80's. It's just not possible, and sure my top speed is only about 95 but I'll take that with 80 YPR anyday over the crafted one with 104 speed.
There are also some things that SW's can make that even some of the best RE'd loot doesn't really compare with. My most requested component is reactors. Shipwrights can make reactors with energy output far greater than all but the rarest of rare loot RE'd together.
Yeah I know REing stuff can be really great, no question. So far I haven't gotten my hands on anything worth REing, then again it has been a long, long time since I had a weekend off to reap the riches of space. Most of what I find is complete crap. To date I the items I've found that were good would be of no surprise to anyone here: capacitors, droid interfaces & boosters. Everything else in my ship is lovingly crafted, because I haven't found better loot to replace them with and I don't think I will unless I get lucky.
What has sparked my quest for info on both drop frequencey and stats of this "great loot" out there is because I think there's been a LOT of undeservedhype over space loot. I'm able to beat the tar out of most loot I have found, or have had customers bring in for evaluation. So why is it that I'm hearing that SW's can't compete with any of the loot out there? Why am I hearing one thing, yet experiencing something very different? Am I crazy? Am I an exception? Or are we hearing nothing more than myths and exaggerationsfrom pilots who were lucky enough to find ONE nice engine after a few weeks of finding endless piles of space junk?
Either I haven't seen enough loot in my time- which is possible-, or the really good stuff that we can't beat is a hell of a lot more rare than certain communities are willing to admit. I'm trying to figure out which. I'm also intereseted in seing how high the stats of this great loot is. I know what the limits are for shipwright, any SW that uses good materials will know too. What I don't know is the limit of good loot, because I am almost NEVER able to get exact numbers out of people I talk to.Or when I finally do find info on the number, no one can tell me how often they find great loot like this.
Message Edited by Subcriminal on 02-28-2005 10:15 AM
MrHawat
Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:11 am
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The best thing I looted, not counting rewards, was a level IV reactor with Generation of 35,000 and low mass. I still have not RE'd the thing but use it in my ship. Got it from a level 4 Pirate ship in Dath.
1st_Viduus
Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:24 pm
#5
"Hard Numbers" is hard to come by since I go through so much loot, i can't rightly remember most of it.
I do have a great idea though, and nobody (or at least, I) never said msw can't compete with any loot, just a lot of it.
At cert 6 (as an example), 67 on either Pitch or Yaw is rare, but not so rare a pilot can't expect to see one of each in a month playing casually.
Roll over 70 same story.
I do have a great idea though, and nobody (or at least, I) never said msw can't compete with any loot, just a lot of it.
At cert 6 (as an example), 67 on either Pitch or Yaw is rare, but not so rare a pilot can't expect to see one of each in a month playing casually.
Roll over 70 same story.
1500~ish energy drain is average, or just over, and 10-12k mass is also average... though I'm sitting on a not-re'd 9440 atm.
Higher than that is RARE, exceptional loot, and while I have seen it, it is uncommon. VERY uncommon.
At Cert 8, 72+ is not 'uncommon', though again, not average loot, for PYR.
At cert 10 I've looted as high as 80 on PYR, but fairly common finds are 78~ish.
Here's the thing:
99% of the time, only ONE of these stats will be great on any of these components. The rest will be crap.
What is crafted in my ship?
Armor
Booster
CM
Reactor
As I said in the other thread (Pilot forum), I'm 3x Ace and MSW, and I supply RE'd parts for the dozen + pilots in my guild, using mostly stuff I loot myself, though they do bring me some small portion of their drops... and nothing that I can craft that isn't on the list above can beat even average RE jobs (excess of cert 4 mediocre capacitors for example... which will usually come out ~1k capacity and 38 recharge... good is over 40, and rare is 44+ with 1250-ish capacity).
I'm of the opinion you simply aren't getting enough loot, or are getting the loot in the wrong places. It's my opinion that some npc's tend to drop better quality than others, and though you can get a Cert 10 gun from a Tier3 NPC, it will probably be crap... but cert 4 loot from Deep Space tends to be at least "upper" average, normally.
Message Edited by 1st_Viduus on 02-28-2005 05:27 PM
Dormax
Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:42 pm
#6
Just a sampling of my better loots I still have, because the rest I've either sold or destroyed before the nerfs (like a fool)... note: none of these have been RE'd yet.
Shield
By far, best recharge I've gotten is 16+ on a level 8 and a different lvl 8 w/ 2200+ front and back capacity
Weapon
Last night, I pulled a lvl 10 from deep space with 4200+ max damage. It doesnt beat my best gun for DOT, but will make a nice RE blaster
Best shields/armor I've found were lvl 10 with .721... I know there are better out there on that stat (I just happen to remember that one)
Cap
Best (so far) is a level 6 w/ recharge 47 I like that one and with the weight wouldnt trade it for anything... can't wait to see that one RE'd
I like that one and with the weight wouldnt trade it for anything... can't wait to see that one RE'dEngine
Fastest engines I've seen were 92.8 and 92.2 (both lvl6) Since launch, I've only seen 2 w/that kind of speed... unfortunatly I accidently sold one of them to the dealer **ARRG**
Subcriminal
Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:14 pm
#7
Thanks guys, this is along the lines of the info I've been looking for. After I posted here the pilot thread started to get moreinfo as well.If you can't remember exact numbers from a piece of loot you had long ago, but if you remember the range of the statsand info on the frequencey of the drop it's still a great help. I was pulling my hair out before with just not being able to get anything other than "general" info that really wasn't specific enough to answer my question.
And yes I am starting to think I haven't seen enough loot either
Keep the info coming if you have it
Garou8x8
Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:37 pm
#8
If you havn't read the sticky at the top of this forum you should:
RE'd Item Statistics by Level - Is this useful to anyone?
That's the thread that I used when i was just starting to figure out what loot was good and what was crap. It also gives you an idea of the ranges of stats that drop for the different component types.
RE'd Item Statistics by Level - Is this useful to anyone?
That's the thread that I used when i was just starting to figure out what loot was good and what was crap. It also gives you an idea of the ranges of stats that drop for the different component types.
TomoRainer
Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:42 pm
#9
The highest post-nerf engine speed I've seen is 95.2 on a level 10. Anything above 90 is quite rare these days. Highest PYRs I've seen are in the 78-80 range, though I haven't been paying quite as much attention to those stats just yet.
Subcriminal
Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:05 am
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Garou8x8 wrote:
If you havn't read the sticky at the top of this forum you should:
RE'd Item Statistics by Level - Is this useful to anyone?
That's the thread that I used when i was just starting to figure out what loot was good and what was crap. It also gives you an idea of the ranges of stats that drop for the different component types.
Yeah I will check that out today. I already know what not to craft, I was just looking for info on ranges.
CPark
Thu Mar 03, 2005 4:12 pm
#11
I just posted some statistics showing the average values for each loot component type and each level.
You can find it at THIS LINK.
It may give you an idea of what "better than average" loot would be.
You can find it at THIS LINK.
It may give you an idea of what "better than average" loot would be.
Alyxian
Thu Mar 03, 2005 4:45 pm
#12
Part of the problem with many people who do not see loot as better than crafted, or realize it's value, is that they don't understand the RE process well enough.
If I am RE'ing a level 6 item, I have 6 items to get stats with. lets take an Engine as an example, and remember these numbers are made up and exaggerated to make my point:
Engine 1 - Hitpoints 200, drain 2000, mass 1000 , Y 30, P 30, R 20, Speed 60
Engine2 - Hitpoints 800, drain 3000, mass 13000 , Y 35, P 40, R 85, Speed 45
Engine3 - Hitpoints 200, drain 200, mass 13000 , Y 30, P 42, R 20, Speed 60
Engine4 - Hitpoints 200, drain 2000, mass 13000 , Y 30, P 30, R 20, Speed 85
Engine5 - Hitpoints 200, drain 2000, mass 13000 , Y 90, P 30, R 20, Speed 20
Engine6 - Hitpoints 200, drain 2000, mass 13000 , Y 30, P 82, R 20, Speed 60
Engine RE =Hitpoints 800, drain 200, mass 1000 , Y 90, P 82, R 85, Speed 85 * RE Bonus
Again, fictional numbers. None of those engines is really good on it's own, which is the case with a lot of loot, but RE'd it makes a killer piece of hardware. Don't toss that engine just because it's only good stat is yaw, it may be just the stat you need later when you RE that puppy. With the exception of some truly rarish pieces of loot, most loot only has 1-3 great stats, the key is putting those together to come up with something like this. From what I have seen, this is the only place most loot will really shine.
With that, I have seen level 6 engines with 75 YPR, but rarely all on the same engine.
most 6 and lower reactors i have seen are 13k ish gen rate consistantly, and even a few really low mass lev 2 and 3 are up there. Level 7 and up, in the 15-16k is very normal with Level 8 and level 10 getting some exceptional 16-18k generation reactors.
Capacitors, Level 6 is all I really keep, and can get 1000-1200 on the capacity, and 40+ on the recharge reliably, and some have 9k ish mass. Again, not all in the same capacitor, but after RE...you get the point.
Hard numbers to beat after RE
Message Edited by Alyxian on 03-03-2005 03:45 PM
Subcriminal
Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:52 pm
#13
CPark wrote:
I just posted some statistics showing the average values for each loot component type and each level.
You can find it at THIS LINK.
It may give you an idea of what "better than average" loot would be.
I want to have your children. Just kidding. But thanks so much for your hard work with keeping track of all that loot. I'd buy ya a beer or something.
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