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I have seen two different opinions on what this field actually means when it has a 1 or 0. One camp says it means that a Killer: 0 should never deathblow and a Killer: 1 creature has a chance to deathblow you. Hwoever, I have been deathblowed from a number of Killer: 0 creatures, which leads me to lean more in the direction of the second camp.

The second camp say that you can be deathblown by a Killer: 0 if the creature hits you hard enough when it incaps you and therefore Killer: 0 doesn't mean it won't deathblow you. Instead it combines with Ferocity and says that get a normal incap, a Deathblow: 1 creature has a chance to deathblow you after the incap based on the Ferocity.

I guess my real question is, have the devs ever officialy stated what the hell Killer actually means? Creature Knowledge is kind of useless if nobody really knows what these values mean.

Speaking of which, in the Ranger tree I know have the ability to see Special attacks of creatures. I have yet to see any creature with something filled in for this, so does this skill actually work, or have I just not seen the creatures than do indeed have special attacks?

Killer :1 ofcourse means it will kill you if it incaps you, as most NPC's will too. A killer :0 shouldn't deathblow you, and it probably most the first time it incaps you. I know with many animals if you pester them or there lair enough, they will deathblow you even if it has a killer of 0. They usually wont do it the first time but if you keep getting incapped and keep trying they do eventually. Im not sure if their ferocity is so high that they can kill you when they incap you from a large hit, but that does make sense. Just consider it that a killer level of 0 is safe enough that it wont likely deathblow you, that will have to do hehe.

Endaro

Endaro,

The problem is I have been deathblowed by creatures who I attacked and never touched their lairs. I hadn't been incapped in days, so I know the three incap rule is not in effect. It just seems like Killer:0 really doesn't meran that you can't be deathblowed by the creature as originally though and therefore either means something else entirely or means that the process is bugged.

I have had a few experiences of being DB'd by "killer=0" creatures. What I found by asking this same basic question is that if you are being attacked by more then one of them at the time you are incapped, there is a chance that one will attack you right as you are incapped and that will "kill" you as if you were DB'd.

Um... if you read a little about what incap means, if you're incapped 2 times in 10 minutes, you die, period. Make sense now? Killer 1 = Deathblow, i.e. they walk up and finish you off. But a killer 0 can kill you if its the second time you've been incapped in 10 minutes...

I hadn't been incapped for a long time before this happened. But I was being attacked by two or three "killer=0" mobs at one time. And I think you have to be incapped 3 times in 10 minutes not two, at least that's what I've heard quite a bit.

Fellstaff,

I mentioned in my second post that I had not been incapped for days. My deaths were not the result of being incapped multiple times, but I certainly am aware of the rule, though I thought it was 3 incaps=death.

Hey kids...

According to the "Official" guide (*cough*ChyaRight*cough) certain creatures will kill you and others will not period.

I don't think the "Killer" tag means anything and is broken right now... (notice how everything else gives useful information, but Killer gives you 0 or 1?) We are just computer nerds so we equate this to be some sort of on off position when really it's just a placeholder for what is really supposed to be there.

Even though the prima guide is a joke... I have found that their listing of what creatuers kill and what creatures incap is usually accurate.

So yeah... yet another reason Creature Knowledge really is LAME when I can look up my skill bonus in a book.

- Zarn

I would say it is broken, as well as ferocity. The higher level the creature, the more likely it seems these are ignored.

Savage humbabas, swamp humbabas (need to double check their ferocity), brackasets all deathblow and gang-up when I have attacked one of their members, even when it was well separated from the herd. These are supposed to be Killer: 0, Ferocity: 0 mobs.

I have seen the behavior in other mobs as well.

The one possibility I can think of is that in beta, some mobs had the (scout) tag. If it ran back to the lair, all of them would go aggro on you. The thing is, I haven't seen the scout tag in live, and these are definately not running back to the lair. I shoot once, even prone and with maskscent, and all of a sudden the entire herd's HAM bars light up because they turned aggressive.