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Thread: Problems with Trapping???
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RogueLDR1
Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:40 pm
#1
I started scout a few days ago, after having mastered scout on 3 different occasions with different toons. Up until Tuesday's patch, my traps were hit and miss - hitting more than missing. Since the Tuesday patch, I have missed hundreds of times. I am half-way through trapping 2 and cannot get any trap to stick to any creature! I have thrown at this point 27 bone spurs (at 6 uses per) and 11 leancipine darts (at 5 uses per) without a hit - and that is only since I started counting. I have /bugged this, but isn't there supposed to be at least a 5% chance of hitting? If that is working correctly, then I am the unluckliest statistical anomoly. 
Any other scouts notice this?
DeltaXi65
Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:35 pm
#2
RogueLDR1 wrote:
I started scout a few days ago, after having mastered scout on 3 different occasions with different toons. Up until Tuesday's patch, my traps were hit and miss - hitting more than missing. Since the Tuesday patch, I have missed hundreds of times. I am half-way through trapping 2 and cannot get any trap to stick to any creature! I have thrown at this point 27 bone spurs (at 6 uses per) and 11 leancipine darts (at 5 uses per) without a hit - and that is only since I started counting. I have /bugged this, but isn't there supposed to be at least a 5% chance of hitting? If that is working correctly, then I am the unluckliest statistical anomoly.
Any other scouts notice this?
What were you going after?
B
Fodder650
Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:37 pm
#3
Funny you should post this. One of my guys whos leveling scout was saying the same thing. I blamed it on the fact that he was a novice scout hitting quenkers. I told him to go trap lesser plains bols instead. I had to go to work before finding out if it worked.
JBMat
Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:47 am
#4
As a matter of fact, yes, I noticed this. I had a run of about 10 traps in a row that failed... come on, I am trapping level 25 Tortur and Level 40 Gleaming Lantern Birds here, not Krayts.
I did see a leveling out yesterday, with my trap stick rate returning to normal. I was trapping on Yavin4 with normal success rates.
Could be your server having a hiccup. If the problem persists, let us know. Specifically, what where you trapping and the traps being used.
JB
RogueLDR1
Thu Feb 03, 2005 5:51 am
#5
New tally:
32 Bone Spurs (at 6 uses each) and 16 leancipine darts (at 5 uses each) without a single trap taking effect.
Creatures hunted: Bodoks, lantern birds, robas, swirling prong, qunkers, lesser plains bols, bols, and huurtons.
I crashed before returning to Corellia - I was going to try something stupid like paralopes or durni's to see if they got trapped.
Granted, I've been going after mid-level creatures, but do the math: 32*6 + 16*5 = 272 consecutive traps thrown without a hit.
Now a while ago TH stated that every creature/person in the game would always have a 5% chance to hit and a 5% chance to miss no matter what stacked template they have. 5% of 272 is 13.6, so I am definitely "beating the odds" so to speak, but in a bad way.
Again, I've mastered scout 3 times since launch (4 times if you include beta 3) on different toons, and have never had this run of bad luck. I'll have to try again tonight. Oh - and for the record, the server is Tempest.
JBMat
Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:50 am
#6
Wow, that is crappy luck or percentages.
I just returned from Endor also. Stuck 2 sets of bone spurs (12) and 3 sets of P darts (15). 100% stick rate. Same creatures, more or less, gleaming lantern birds, bordoks and a couple of bolles who wandered by.
I am wondering if you are trying too high a level for your traps? I know GLBs are 37.
Send in a /bug if you can't stick any on paralopes or durni. Anyone can stick a trap on a paralope.
JB
RogueLDR1
Fri Feb 04, 2005 5:38 am
#7
Well, I did some further testing last night, and it looks like trapping works, based on the /con of the target.
For Red /con, I never hit with a trap.
For Yellow /con, I hit about 10%-15% of the time with a trap.
For a White /con, I hit about 40% of the time with a trap.
For anything else, I hit about 85% of the time with a trap
I guess this surprised me because I do remember doing scout before and hitting Red /cons about 20% to 30% of the time with a trap. I guess that this changed somewhere along the way from the last time I mastered Scout (which was probably around publish 6). I also guess that the 5% chance to always hit, 5% chance to always miss for combat does *not* apply to the throwing of traps.
Thanks to everyone for the support and suggestions. I now feel better knowing what is going on. 
Fodder650
Fri Feb 04, 2005 6:15 am
#8
Actually i did some testing last night as well using sonic pulse (from ranger) and glow-wire (from scout). And as a master ranger against Bol (CL29) and Bol Pack Runner (CL26) i was having some odd results. Sonic Pulse would stick on them more then 80% of the time. But glow-wire was only having a 50/50 chance of sticking. And these arent what you would normally call a high level creature and as a master ranger i never had an issue before.
Against Horned Voritors (Cl53) and Grassland Voritors (Cl47) my glow-wires were never sticking. This was on the edge of normal anyway for what i've seen work in the past. But i never landed a glow-wire once on either of them. Same goes for the Sonic-Pulse against them as well. I have had traps work on them before this last patch
So something is wrong with trapping right now. Im just having a hard time nailing down what normal is to go and test it. I've been a ranger for a long time and i have a scout with trapping 2 on Wanderhome i could use for testing at the scout level if you all think it would help to get a better test.
Against Horned Voritors (Cl53) and Grassland Voritors (Cl47) my glow-wires were never sticking. This was on the edge of normal anyway for what i've seen work in the past. But i never landed a glow-wire once on either of them. Same goes for the Sonic-Pulse against them as well. I have had traps work on them before this last patch
So something is wrong with trapping right now. Im just having a hard time nailing down what normal is to go and test it. I've been a ranger for a long time and i have a scout with trapping 2 on Wanderhome i could use for testing at the scout level if you all think it would help to get a better test.
Dalien
Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:56 am
#9
I am TKA and Novice Ranger. Yesterday I was trying to pull a piket on dant and threw at least 8 stacks of glow wire because I hate running up to things and the bonus is nice. Not a single one stuck. So ya since the patch apparently our traps are not quite as usefull =/ That puts them at what? A step above cosmetic flashes of light?
DeltaXi65
Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:59 am
#10
Dalien wrote:
I am TKA and Novice Ranger. Yesterday I was trying to pull a piket on dant and threw at least 8 stacks of glow wire because I hate running up to things and the bonus is nice. Not a single one stuck. So ya since the patch apparently our traps are not quite as usefull =/ That puts them at what? A step above cosmetic flashes of light?
No, that would be the ranger traps.
/duck
B
Fodder650
Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:47 am
#11
Hey now I happen to like the Ranger traps since there area of effect. Sure they could be better but they are still useful for a brawler ranger like myself.
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