Rifleman Archive
Thread: I no longer fear melee stackers...
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BizzyNinja
Tue Jan 11, 2005 3:34 pm
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Skawtt wrote:You know what? Good job for taking the time to gind out a well thought out templateBUt just because you took out a melee stacker in a few duels doesnt make it godlike gotta learn how to use it as well
BTW.... Mabari armor belts are NOT prenerfed they are still craftable with 0 condition and will accept AA's (dont get ripped off ) The ubese shirts and bandos are the ones that are nerfed. Prenerfed bandos and shirts have 0 condition but still accept CA's The new crafted ones have condition on them but only take CA's as wellI dont even really pvp except in friendly duels simply because there is just way to many dot whores out there I dont care about rank or losing but getting a area mind poison/disease throw and he runs away doesnt even make pvp fun or worthwhile to me.Message Edited by Skawtt on 01-11-2005 05:23 AM
Thanks...and no I am not saying it's Godlike...like I said already, swordsman do a number on me. Dot whores own me, I've faced the two top TKM duelists on our server...yes I know how to use it well. I was also already corrected about the pre-nerf belts, I found a vendor with tons of them on it.
As for the pvp thing, I sorta went that way too. Can't do anything when dots are around ya unless you got doc. I gave up on pvp'ing on Bizzy for awhile...I'll be back up again soon though. Got some stuff coming in the near future
Brainplay
Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:30 am
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Skawtt wrote:
You know what? Good job for taking the time to gind out a well thought out template
BTW.... Mabari armor belts are NOT prenerfed they are still craftable with 0 condition and will accept AA's (dont get ripped off )The ubese shirts and bandos are the ones that are nerfed. Prenerfed bandos and shirts have 0 condition but still accept CA's The new crafted ones have condition on them but only take CA's as well
I dont even really pvp except in friendly duels simply because there is just way to many dot whores out there I dont care about rank or losing but getting a area mind poison/disease throw and he runs away doesnt even make pvp fun or worthwhile to me.
Message Edited by Skawtt on 01-11-2005 05:23 AM
Belts take up your PSG slot and you better have a darn good defense belt to make up for it. I use 8% stun 1k condition psg's. They count as AP1 so that exceptional acklay stun baton has 50% of its damaged shaved off right away. Since it's low resist it lasts ALOT longer than a 30% resist PSG. Same applies to krayt geo pistols, etc etc. Then the damage has to contend with my stun armor as well. As for DoT whores, well even my stuff has bounced off a few people. But unless its a fire DoT, no loot weapon can touch me as long as I have my resists. The potency on those things is ridiculously low to the point that even a class A resist will bounce them.
Kirkmeister
Wed Jan 12, 2005 8:26 am
#3
In a nutshell it means hanging back, and hitting them from range, so that you are out of range of any lunge attacks etc.
I have just changed my template, and would like your thoughts on it.
I used to be Master Rifle/CM4004/Doc4030. As you know master rifle and CM have no melee defences, so I kept getting eaten alive by any melee worth his salt. So in a bid to get some defence against melee I have taken Master Rifle/Doc4030/Pistoleer 0044. I'll explain what this gives. I get state and poison cures, state defences +50 to KD, Dizzy, Stun and Blind. I can cure intimidate with my state cures from Doc. I get +80 melee def from pistoleer and the specials from the pistols tree. I have tested that you can get a KD dizzy using Flurry 1 or 2 in rifles and then swapping to Pistol and whapping them with Melee Def1. I tried this against a Swordsman, and it landed, I realise it takes some swapping about, but in a scrape, it should bide some time. But I would like your thoughts on this, as I wish to keep my Doc part of my template, as it comes in far too handy for state and poison/diseasecures if they land on you.
Little-Green-Guy
Wed Jan 12, 2005 11:24 am
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hmmm...do the PSG really work?
never once have I seen my 'combat channel' state: X amount of damage was absorbed (or deflected)by my PSG.
I used to wear one all the time, while I was testing different specials and weapons out.
Those things don't work..
XGNLC
Wed Jan 12, 2005 11:49 am
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if your having troubles with swordsman just pick up novice brawler and invest ina nice blast resist helm. imtimdate the hack out of them. Than you get burst run food and keep your distance. make sure you keep intimidate and try and WC1 them to get in and land for shots during that time.
Kirkmeister
Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:30 pm
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Little-Green-Guy wrote:
hmmm...do the PSG really work?
never once have I seen my 'combat channel' state: X amount of damage was absorbed (or deflected)by my PSG.
I used to wear one all the time, while I was testing different specials and weapons out.
Those things don't work..
There is a bug ( what a bug in this game? i hear you say) You need to re-equip your psg everytime you travel on a shuttle etc. If you don't you may as well be wearing a string vest.
XGNLC
Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:40 pm
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BizzyNinja wrote:
Little-Green-Guy wrote:
hmmm...do the PSG really work?
never once have I seen my 'combat channel' state: X amount of damage was absorbed (or deflected) by my PSG.
I used to wear one all the time, while I was testing different specials and weapons out.
Those things don't work..
I've never seen that message in my combat log either, but I am pretty sure it works. I've noticed some differences in damage output on my opponent when equipped with one. Especially against those pistoleers with geos.
yes if you get WC2 on your from a swordsman or your kd/dizzy unequip your weapon until you are on your feet. they get a bonu to this sort of thing.
BizzyNinja
Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:52 pm
#8
My template couldn't get dizzy...so that was never an issue. No need for master brawler, never found it to be worth the SP.
BizzyNinja
Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:47 am
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Kirkmeister wrote:In a nutshell it means hanging back, and hitting them from range, so that you are out of range of any lunge attacks etc.I have just changed my template, and would like your thoughts on it.I used to be Master Rifle/CM4004/Doc4030. As you know master rifle and CM have no melee defences, so I kept getting eaten alive by any melee worth his salt. So in a bid to get some defence against melee I have taken Master Rifle/Doc4030/Pistoleer 0044. I'll explain what this gives. I get state and poison cures, state defences +50 to KD, Dizzy, Stun and Blind. I can cure intimidate with my state cures from Doc. I get +80 melee def from pistoleer and the specials from the pistols tree. I have tested that you can get a KD dizzy using Flurry 1 or 2 in rifles and then swapping to Pistol and whapping them with Melee Def1. I tried this against a Swordsman, and it landed, I realise it takes some swapping about, but in a scrape, it should bide some time. But I would like your thoughts on this, as I wish to keep my Doc part of my template, as it comes in far too handy for state and poison/disease cures if they land on you.
Your template is good, but you're sacrificing a good chunk of defenses to pick up CM. Personally, I would never do CM...as I do not support chucking poisons at people. I feel cheap doing something like that...Doc is a great combo though for ANY combat profession. It is a must for pvp for all the dot whores running around. And personally, I never make a template without having brawler at least. I gotta be able to intimidate them and stick a warcry when I need to buy some quick time.
BizzyNinja
Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:48 am
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Little-Green-Guy wrote:hmmm...do the PSG really work?never once have I seen my 'combat channel' state: X amount of damage was absorbed (or deflected) by my PSG.I used to wear one all the time, while I was testing different specials and weapons out.Those things don't work..
I've never seen that message in my combat log either, but I am pretty sure it works. I've noticed some differences in damage output on my opponent when equipped with one. Especially against those pistoleers with geos.
Kirkmeister
Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:08 pm
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BizzyNinja wrote:
Kirkmeister wrote:
In a nutshell it means hanging back, and hitting them from range, so that you are out of range of any lunge attacks etc.
I have just changed my template, and would like your thoughts on it.
I used to be Master Rifle/CM4004/Doc4030. As you know master rifle and CM have no melee defences, so I kept getting eaten alive by any melee worth his salt. So in a bid to get some defence against melee I have taken Master Rifle/Doc4030/Pistoleer 0044. I'll explain what this gives. I get state and poison cures, state defences +50 to KD, Dizzy, Stun and Blind. I can cure intimidate with my state cures from Doc. I get +80 melee def from pistoleer and the specials from the pistols tree. I have tested that you can get a KD dizzy using Flurry 1 or 2 in rifles and then swapping to Pistol and whapping them with Melee Def1. I tried this against a Swordsman, and it landed, I realise it takes some swapping about, but in a scrape, it should bide some time. But I would like your thoughts on this, as I wish to keep my Doc part of my template, as it comes in far too handy for state and poison/disease cures if they land on you.
Your template is good, but you're sacrificing a good chunk of defenses to pick up CM. Personally, I would never do CM...as I do not support chucking poisons at people. I feel cheap doing something like that...Doc is a great combo though for ANY combat profession. It is a must for pvp for all the dot whores running around. And personally, I never make a template without having brawler at least. I gotta be able to intimidate them and stick a warcry when I need to buy some quick time.
Take a better look at my template. I have dropped CM, and I am now Master Rifle/Doc4030/Pistoleer 0044. That way I get the damage of rifle, all the cures of Doc and the defences of Pistoleer. I think I'm correct in saying with the pistol trees I have taken I get +50 def v Dizzy, KD, Stun and Blind. I also get +30 Def V posture down ans +20 v Posture up. I also get +80 Melee defence. I can even get a KD dizzy with my DXR-6b and then switching to pistols to give em a whap with Pistol melee def 1. I have yet tp try this in full on PvP, but have tried in duels with various professions, and I can hold my own by switching weapons and tactics.
BizzyNinja
Sat Jan 15, 2005 1:26 am
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Still in my opinion, I don't go without brawler. Intimidate is too important to me to not have it. That template is becoming very popular among most people on the server. Combat profession + 4030 Doctor + pistol tech line. My alt has that exact template, but a master pikeman instead and minus the last tree in pistoleer (melee professions don't have as much sp leftover as opposed to a ranged in this situation). It's good and having Rifleman gives you the firepower that my toon lacks. I have a great feeling every pvp'er will have a template just like that.
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