Rifleman Archive
Thread: How To Beat A Master Rifleman
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saladin123
Sun Apr 18, 2004 7:18 pm
#1
Ok recently Ive seen alot of crap posted in the GCW about rifleman and so I decided to make a guide on how to beat them. I dont want any flames here I am just trying to do something to stop the crying.
1)PREPERATION: This is the most important part. Buffs are a no brainer for any kind of pvp. Just because you dont have 3k mind but no buffs doesnt mean you have protection. Even though rifleman are known for hitting mind, any smart rifleman will see you are not buffed and hit you with strafe two. Ok thats the first part. Now all you have to do is get some good brandy, preferably 400+ BE enhanced. If you can get a entertainer buff, but it is not needed. Dont use moun gold before the battle, use it as a "mind stim". Now, after youve got your stats set, get some good armor on. Stun protection armor is best. The strength of the armor varies on the server, but on intrepid we seem to get 39% stun armor mass produced. Even though the jawa is ap1 any kind of protection is still good. Weapons will be stun preferably, but since some alot of profs have to access to stun, the highest ap weapon will do. Basically, this part is all the common sense that some people seem to have forgotten.
2) FIGHTING: Ok, I cant post a strategy for every prof because I have never been every prof, but I will say what I know. It seems that alot of the people who complain about rifleman are the other ranged profs carbineer, pistoleer. I myself am a MBH, but have been both carbineer and pistoleer before. With pistoleer, it helps alot top stay close. Even though rifleman have great accuracy, I think even at master it is a little worse at near point blank(this is just from dueling experiance so correct me if Im wrong.) So if its a duel, I like to burst run before the duel. In pvp, I burst run as soon as I can. It also helps if you have some other stuff, like smuggler pistols, or bh. Now dont say that we have to spend more sp to equal to rifleman. Most rifleman have other profs which make them proficiant. Rifleman dont have any other profs to dabble to increase rifle skills. If you got a ranged kd, like low blow or charge shot, fire kd ect. it really helps. If you get the kd to stick you have almost won. Run up close, and use your best specials. I like eyeshot, and with a good geno it works very well. If you dont have eyeshot last ditch is even better, that being the highest damaging pistol special in the game. Carbines have a little worse off, because of no stun weapon. A krayt laser with its ap2 + Cripple shot while they are on the groud seems to do decent damage for me. Well Thats all I got. Please post any changes that I should make. I have never been a rifleman before, So this is from a non-rifleman view point. But I do know that the nerf cries are annoying, so That is why i decided to post this. I am posting this on the rifleman boards first to see if I made any errors about the proffesion. Thanks
1)PREPERATION: This is the most important part. Buffs are a no brainer for any kind of pvp. Just because you dont have 3k mind but no buffs doesnt mean you have protection. Even though rifleman are known for hitting mind, any smart rifleman will see you are not buffed and hit you with strafe two. Ok thats the first part. Now all you have to do is get some good brandy, preferably 400+ BE enhanced. If you can get a entertainer buff, but it is not needed. Dont use moun gold before the battle, use it as a "mind stim". Now, after youve got your stats set, get some good armor on. Stun protection armor is best. The strength of the armor varies on the server, but on intrepid we seem to get 39% stun armor mass produced. Even though the jawa is ap1 any kind of protection is still good. Weapons will be stun preferably, but since some alot of profs have to access to stun, the highest ap weapon will do. Basically, this part is all the common sense that some people seem to have forgotten.
2) FIGHTING: Ok, I cant post a strategy for every prof because I have never been every prof, but I will say what I know. It seems that alot of the people who complain about rifleman are the other ranged profs carbineer, pistoleer. I myself am a MBH, but have been both carbineer and pistoleer before. With pistoleer, it helps alot top stay close. Even though rifleman have great accuracy, I think even at master it is a little worse at near point blank(this is just from dueling experiance so correct me if Im wrong.) So if its a duel, I like to burst run before the duel. In pvp, I burst run as soon as I can. It also helps if you have some other stuff, like smuggler pistols, or bh. Now dont say that we have to spend more sp to equal to rifleman. Most rifleman have other profs which make them proficiant. Rifleman dont have any other profs to dabble to increase rifle skills. If you got a ranged kd, like low blow or charge shot, fire kd ect. it really helps. If you get the kd to stick you have almost won. Run up close, and use your best specials. I like eyeshot, and with a good geno it works very well. If you dont have eyeshot last ditch is even better, that being the highest damaging pistol special in the game. Carbines have a little worse off, because of no stun weapon. A krayt laser with its ap2 + Cripple shot while they are on the groud seems to do decent damage for me. Well Thats all I got. Please post any changes that I should make. I have never been a rifleman before, So this is from a non-rifleman view point. But I do know that the nerf cries are annoying, so That is why i decided to post this. I am posting this on the rifleman boards first to see if I made any errors about the proffesion. Thanks
cincoalto
Sun Apr 18, 2004 8:21 pm
#2
ya you are right, most ppl don't realize that riflemen alone has NO defense against posture change down and or KD, let alone an amazing defense of 10 against dizzy, blind and stun. so for u carbine/pistol ppl get up close and personal. Second of all a lot of ppl seem to forget how much thigns such as blind, dizzy and stun all help. If u get a riflemen blinded and up close they will prob miss 60% of the time, and thats asumming u only have 1 combat class. And if the riflemen has say tkm or whatever, and u only have 1 combat class its kinda of hard to have an arguement why u lost when the person did spend more skill points in combat than u did. Also tactics play a huge role in pvp that ppl seem to over look. If u r a pistol/carbine don't let riflemen get far away. If u r in theed go around a corner so they have to get closer to u, pretend to run away and when they start coming at u and then burst run at them, and if u r a melee prof stay CoB'ed ALL the time. if u get beat in the wide open what else do u expect, to beat a prof where they do best? that is just like saying why did the riflemen lose to the TKM at point blank. PvP also shoudl be more of a team effort, sure riflemen is a very heavy hitting prof, but it needs support of other ppl, like medics, and ppl who can dizzy/kd, or blind, or even poison. And just a lil side note, muon can be used before facing a riflemen to help keep ur will high enough to regen dmg faster than it is taken.
saladin123
Sun Apr 18, 2004 8:25 pm
#3
yea i agree. I think that even though pistoleer/carbineer are not on par with rifleman themselves, that is onyl because rifleman is working well. Once they fix carbs pistols it will be fine.
SoonToBeBountyHunter
Sun Apr 18, 2004 9:38 pm
#4
well i guess you dueled a not so smart rifleman i guess. they should dabble into other profs like pistoleer for more defences, good luck then, if i could i would duel you to prove a point that i can beat you but i can't 
Leadhead101
Mon Apr 19, 2004 5:46 am
#5
I agree, however I keep a good amount of thatkillo that is be enhanced. The stuff I have now gives me +80 defense against kd posture change. The downside is that it doesnt last very long though.
JuCat
Mon Apr 19, 2004 9:08 am
#6
The KEY to beating any profession is to take away there strengths. Intimdate reduces a riflemans damage output, stun also reduces damage output, blind and dizzy both reduces there defenses and hits there accuracy. Of course this is all secondary if you have a KD move.
x-en
Mon Apr 19, 2004 9:57 am
#7
ever consider that most people dont have stun armor ect.? (is commando=only kitable ranged profession)
Sotaudi
Mon Apr 19, 2004 5:43 pm
#8
x-en wrote:
ever consider that most people dont have stun armor ect.? (is commando=only kitable ranged profession)
That is like saying "ever consider most people do not have armor" or "most people do not have buffs." If you do not have stun armor, then you need to get it, not just to battle against a Jawa wielding Rifleman, but also against a Stun Baton wielding Fencer or a Geo Blaster wielding pistoleer, pistoleer/BH, or pistoleer/Smuggler. Get, as a minimum, a Stun helm and a Stun chest plate. Whatever else you can get, do, but get at least those pieces.
The two biggest problems in this game are that:
1) They have made an armor that only a few professions can dent
2) People do not want to bother defending against even what they can.
No armor should be virtually invunlerable to all but a few professions. All armors should have multiple weaknesses so that all professions have a shot at doing some damage. But even so, if you choose not to protect yourself, then stay out of PvP or quit complaining when someone uses your lack of planning to defeat you.
Protofish
Tue Apr 20, 2004 8:58 am
#9
Easiest way to kill a rifleman is close in. With -70 at point blank, a master rifleman is gonna hit for crap under 30m (normally I hit about 2/5 shots with my jawa ion which is only -50 at point blank). Not to mention that his accuracy will decrease even more if he/she is running. Rifleman gets an awesome +10 accuracy while moving.
Tsimhnori
Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:23 am
#10
Well... if someone closes in on me I just pull out the flamer and flamesingle2... I do wear my Shock Trooper title all the time...
Dajaan
Wed Apr 21, 2004 5:42 am
#11
the easiest way to kill a master rifleman is:
*tadaaaaaaaaaaaaa*
bring a CM and have him throw a mind poison 
Bumbleb33tuna
Wed Apr 21, 2004 9:35 am
#12
easy if you know what your doing..
step 1: getbuffed (i hate when people with 600 mind whine how a guy with 3600 beat him
step 2: armor is yoru friend (gotta love those unarmed guys wondering why u killed him so fast
setp 3: dizzy/kd him and proceed to own him in 25-30 seconds
or
step 3: toss 1200 ticking mind poison and /warcry
step 4: point and laf
IamCadan
Wed Apr 21, 2004 9:49 am
#13
I agree with being prepared. Here is my current template. Ranger 4040, BH 2000, RM 4204. I'm currently working on BH but I'm also a former master rifleman.
A friend of mine (master BH) and me went after a Jedi after he got himself on the BH terminals. We went in prepared. Getting buffed is a no brainer. I was also on 2 hits of brandy and had my muon ready which I take just before the battle begins. I turned on my shield generator which has stun resist as does my helmut. We found him in the star port on Dath. Talk about luck...or stupidity..who knows. Now the Jedi was grouped with 3 others. One CM and 2 Master Rifleman. My friend opens up on the Jedi, the rifleman opens up on my friend. I return fire with my Jawa. Keep in mind we're outnumbered 4-2. We get heath poisoned by the CM. My friend kills the Jedi, completing his contract but then is killed by one of the rifleman. I then kill a rifleman and then his CM buddy. Another BH was there and was invited by friend after he died and he finished off the last rifleman.
In checking my logs after all was done, I found out that both rifleman had used numerous headshot3 on me but I was ready for that. The ironic things is that the rebels who were grouped with the jedi accused my frined of needing to bring a group to take out the jedi...but he was grouped too!! meh..
All in all every master rifleman can be taken out. Get prepared, use tatics and have your defenses ready.
A friend of mine (master BH) and me went after a Jedi after he got himself on the BH terminals. We went in prepared. Getting buffed is a no brainer. I was also on 2 hits of brandy and had my muon ready which I take just before the battle begins. I turned on my shield generator which has stun resist as does my helmut. We found him in the star port on Dath. Talk about luck...or stupidity..who knows. Now the Jedi was grouped with 3 others. One CM and 2 Master Rifleman. My friend opens up on the Jedi, the rifleman opens up on my friend. I return fire with my Jawa. Keep in mind we're outnumbered 4-2. We get heath poisoned by the CM. My friend kills the Jedi, completing his contract but then is killed by one of the rifleman. I then kill a rifleman and then his CM buddy. Another BH was there and was invited by friend after he died and he finished off the last rifleman.
In checking my logs after all was done, I found out that both rifleman had used numerous headshot3 on me but I was ready for that. The ironic things is that the rebels who were grouped with the jedi accused my frined of needing to bring a group to take out the jedi...but he was grouped too!! meh..
All in all every master rifleman can be taken out. Get prepared, use tatics and have your defenses ready.
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