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SenorMister
Sun Jul 11, 2004 4:29 am
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I was owned by a master rifleman while wearing a suit of 80% Kinetic 70% base comp and he ripped through me with a T21..now I always thought Jawa Ion was the best for pvp, im very confused and new to pvp as you probably all know by now..Please help me and give tips 
xPREDATORx
Sun Jul 11, 2004 4:34 am
#2
well it depends on the stats of the t21 it could have a uber slice or be krayted or powered up or all, and at the end of the day t21 is heavy armour peicing and compo is only light armour so its gona ripp through it literally any how.
jawas are good because they can go through the armour due to compo vunerability but there is now stun armour and its a choice between the 2.
SenorMister
Sun Jul 11, 2004 4:50 am
#3
So should i just go with the T21? I have one uber slice (like 340-570 damage 7.2 speed * i have +95 speed without Skill Attatchments) so its like 2 second speed (is therea formula btw?) and i also have a DXR6-b Disruptor Rifle (any good in pvp?)
xPREDATORx wrote:
well it depends on the stats of the t21 it could have a uber slice or be krayted or powered up or all, and at the end of the day t21 is heavy armour peicing and compo is only light armour so its gona ripp through it literally any how.
jawas are good because they can go through the armour due to compo vunerability but there is now stun armour and its a choice between the 2.
xPREDATORx
Sun Jul 11, 2004 7:56 am
#4
disruptor rifles can be very good usually due to the range modifiers and normally good forspammin whilest on the run....
Ackehece
Sun Jul 11, 2004 8:50 am
#5
SenorMister wrote:
So should i just go with the T21? I have one uber slice (like 340-570 damage 7.2 speed * i have +95 speed without Skill Attatchments) so its like 2 second speed (is therea formula btw?) and i also have a DXR6-b Disruptor Rifle (any good in pvp?)
if that is pre-powerup I would be tempted to go with the t-21 over the jawa now (assuming most people around have stun armor and stun psg's) - if you do use it try to find powerups that up the min damage and maybe (lower speed/ham cost/raise accuracy(any of those is fine)) max damage powerups are ok - but they are mostly mitigated away with range mitigation three - if you raise your min damage it hits harder more often and can't be mitigated as much.
the dxr-6 is not used as often in pvp as 1 it deteriorates fast and 2 is not heavy armor piercing and does not hit a lower resistance level in armor like stun does.
figure this
jawa ap 1 hitting a lower resistance or a vulnerablity so it either does damage because the target is treated as wearing no armor or just crappy armor
dxr-6 ap 2 hits that resitance at the 80-90% range and even with armor piercing and it's +25% bonux cause it is higher does not do appreciably more damage
t-21 ap3 hits that 80-90% resistance and then adds +25% and then another +25% because it is heavy ap vs light armor so if they jawa does not get through the t-21 will (not as well - but better then anything else except dots and rocket launchers)
t-21 becomes even more the choice weapon for rifleman if they are wearing psgs... which can almost totally cancel out jawa rifles and other stun weapons
mitigation + armor + psg = use the heaviest ap + the smallest range between min and max damage to pop the blighter
Logitition
Sun Jul 11, 2004 9:28 am
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well that is Half correct...
T21's are slow.. and even at 95, u will be hard pressed to cap that T21 on speed..
I actually use a Disruptor..
4.1 260-538 (without PU) +100@54m AP2
If the target is still at 50m, I can still get +'s while on the move..
PSG's do not cover acid.. so usually it is the lowest resist .. I personally wear 40% stun compo with 80% on all else.. I hotkey Imp gens so they never wear out.. That leaves me with 90% in all areas except acid and kinetic..
-well and saber resists..lol
A T21 is really bad for on the move firing.. and the Ham is attrocious.. where as.. the Disruptor is an accuracy god tool.. couple it with a triple aim and u can sneak a few shots through to that Jedi's head..
analogous
Sun Jul 11, 2004 11:32 am
#7
xPREDATORx wrote:
"well it depends on the stats of the t21 it could have a uber slice or be krayted or powered up or all, and at the end of the day t21 is heavy armour peicing and compo is only light armour so its gona ripp through it literally any how.
jawas are good because they can go through the armour due to compo vunerability but there is now stun armour and its a choice between the 2."
Get this into your head...... AP DOES NOT WORK IN PVP (besides Stun)
Logitition
Sun Jul 11, 2004 4:25 pm
#8
well it is a good weapon .. do not get me wrong but the accuracy is for crap.. I can hit more often and do more damage because of it with the disruptor.. and the Ham makes it easy to negotiate..
I have a 223-513 5.0 T21.. and at 45m it is great.. step over that line tho and have both u and the target on the move.. is a hard hit.. factor in a CoB and a blind and u are doomed in most cases.. 25% more damage than the disruptor is good.. but with how innaccurate it is, u will not get to use it alot..
Where as the disruptor is mega accurate and AP2.. when u have the difference between 80-90% on armor is actually a 20% increase in resists when it is used.. and so u are really only choosing the T21 for 5% more damage than the disruptor.
Ackehece
Sun Jul 11, 2004 4:42 pm
#9
Logitition wrote:
well it is a good weapon .. do not get me wrong but the accuracy is for crap.. I can hit more often and do more damage because of it with the disruptor.. and the Ham makes it easy to negotiate..
Depends on what the weaponsmith experimented on. if they put it into accuracy related areas theT21 can be very accurate
I have a 223-513 5.0 T21.. and at 45m it is great.. step over that line tho and have both u and the target on the move.. is a hard hit.. factor in a CoB and a blind and u are doomed in most cases.. 25% more damage than the disruptor is good.. but with how innaccurate it is, u will not get to use it alot..
I have a 315 -509 t21 with Point Blank -50 Ideal (50m) +50 max +10
I don't miss very often even at point blank due to my accuracy mods from being master rifleman (that and +20 accuracy with sea's) and you can use accuracy food with brandy
Where as the disruptor is mega accurate and AP2.. when u have the difference between 80-90% on armor is actually a 20% increase in resists when it is used.. and so u are really only choosing the T21 for 5% more damage than the disruptor.
you can also use more /aims if you really need more accuracy stack. accuracy has never been the issue. with a 35% min damage increase (ok i have only seen power ups with +33% min damage) you can close the mitgation gap on a t-21 and then it becomes insanly devestating
Ssedi
Mon Jul 12, 2004 12:25 am
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Only time Ap doesnt work is when the person you are attacking is not wearing any armor. Otherwise Ap does work.
PyscoJuggalo
Mon Jul 12, 2004 12:36 am
#11
If you got a T-21 with 340 min Damage, I would use that 24 hours everyday. Jawas are running up against the PSG, Stun layer, Damage absorbsion food, and Ranged Mitigation factor. That means they suck when compaired to that AP 3 monster you have.
Also since the T 21 deals more damage it screws up the armor of your enemy more.
hellohelo
Mon Jul 12, 2004 9:00 pm
#12
good distrupters are my #1 choice against comp/psg targets. psg's are vulnerable to acid so it goes right through the psg.
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