Rifleman Archive

One simple reason: the devs have created a system of skill points. The best way to optimize your character is to become great at many different things.

A Master Rifleman will have 158 skill points left (meaning it costs 92 to be a master). With those 158 you could go on to master about everything else in the game, and be a complete machine.

A Master Bounty Hunter must spent 217 points, leaving 33. This argument speaks for itself.

Your response will be "you don't need master to have eye shot".

Lets compare to a Bounty Hunter that ONLY has eye shot. He has NOTHING else in Bounty Hunter. He will spend 169 skill points to get Novice BH and BH Pistol 2. This is just a plain old 0-2-0-0 BH. There is only 81 skill points left to do something else.

Rifleman isn't a way of life. If it is just one of many different skills you can have. You can master rifleman AND something else. Spending this many points in bounty hunter MUST BE WORTHWHILE OTHERWISE NO ONE WOULD SPEND THAT MANY POINTS.

You can't argue with the numbers. You only get out of this game how much you put into it, and if you put that many skill points in you better get something back.

1 star rating, no reply.

You don't like it, but you can't fight it. Everyone likes the easy way out, the most power for the least skill points. Well this is a MMORPG, it will keep changing until skills are worth exactly (no more no less) than the skill points required.

You know that gaining rifle experience is 2-4 times slower then gaining pistol or carabine experience right? So every 1k of rifle/combat xp is worth of 2-4k xp in BH tree.

Also last time I checked BH has several options .. its not that all BH has is an eyeshot.. just an example .. BH wielding cannon kills me in 2 hits in pvp...

Wookiee Master Combat Medic/Rifleman

How exactly do riflemen become 'complete machines' by spending points elsewhere? Last I checked, I can't use a carbine when I'm shooting my rifle (or heal, or use a pistol, or use a heavy weapon, or cure states, or...). Oddly, pistoleer bonuses stack with BH pistol. One can use their abilities simultaneously, and the other cannot.

What is (or should be) the difference between a master rifle/scout/marksman and a master BH?

Eye shot only becomes on par with a Master Rifleman if the BH is wearing head armor, if not it is way inferior to a Master using a DLT20a spaming Headshot.

Your arguement is flawed....

You're not paying more than a rifleman to get eyeshot. You're simply restricted to choosing scout as your secondary.

Imagine a scenario... two players... both master marksman and scout. One chooses BH. The other chooses Rifleman. The BH spends enough points to get Eye Shot. Now, pick something for the same amount of points in Rifleman that would make the Rifleman on par with the BH.

You can't.

Now you see one of the problems with Eye Shot.... or you lie to yourself and hope no one notices.

You may use more skill points than a rifeman, but a rifleman has toearn more XP.

Bounty Hunter needs 4.1 million experience, RIfleman needs 4.3 million experience. (roughly speaking)

Now if a Rifleman wanted to get the BH's amount of versatility, that 4.3 million jumps up a lot more. So you may use more skill points, but Rifleman is harder to obtain, in terms of amount of xp needed.

But I think the major grip we have against eye shot is that it can be fired faster and more accurately. Thus doing more damage in the long run. Also the fact that mind pool damage is our biggest strength.

Personally, I don't have a problem with you having eye shot. I have a problem with the skill point use argument cause it means nothing. SKill point usage just restricts what you want to do. It has nothing to do with how much effort is needed to get the skill.

*can't help but double over in laughter*

81 skill points? ONLY 81? haha you're joking right Lowca?

That's only enough points for a 0-2-0-0Bh to

#1 Get master CH and then still take novice medic to use stim B's So you can hide behind pets, while using eyeshot and then heal the action back.

#2 Take enough CH to stomp riflemen with 2.5 melee pets and not need eyeshot anyway.

#3 totally master pistoleer, blazing though with a BH scatter and mindshot compared to the guns pistoleers get. Then put the mods on top of that BH scatter and become better then any rifleman and outsnipe us from any range anyway.

Get the point yet?

And for the other half I'm sick of every one telling us to get another profession to have a chance, it's simple math to realize that if I need as the only other combat class I could use at the same time rifleman and CH to just be on an even keel with someone who doesn't even need master BH, doesn't that oh SCREAM imbalance just a smidge to you?

77 for master marksmen + 63 for rifleman + 63 for master CH getting beaten by a BH who has only put 17 points towards his chosen profession? Or could take other professions on top anyway (you guys never mention you still have points to spare as well you know)Yeah I know you spent soooo many points on skills you never use again post BH But then to say we need all of ours to fight? Yeah makes hordes of sense that.

If this had been on the main board Lowca you'd have just goteen a do not feed the trolls sign, no matter how many times BH's try to beat this dead horse it's proven time and again how flawed and innacuurate the sp arguement is, and everyone and their pet gurreck knows it's the case along witht he fact the best rifleman can be a 0-0-2-0 bh

So do us all a favor, give it a rest and don't troll our forum ok?

Its a serious flaw in planning that BH have to use more skill points than other combat classes.I could understand the argument that the BH should be better if he were forced master something like Brawler, but as it is now, a BH can level Scout at the same pace he levels Marksman.

The BH's time will come though. Look at their defenses. +7 to ranged at master, that's it. Once these start WORKING, the BH will take its role as a pure offensive weapon capable of delivering quick damage to any HAM bar, but will soak up incoming fire like a sponge.

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Talas213 wrote:

Your arguement is flawed....

You're not paying more than a rifleman to get eyeshot. You're simply restricted to choosing scout as your secondary.

Imagine a scenario... two players... both master marksman and scout. One chooses BH. The other chooses Rifleman. The BH spends enough points to get Eye Shot. Now, pick something for the same amount of points in Rifleman that would make the Rifleman on par with the BH.

You can't.

Now you see one of the problems with Eye Shot.... or you lie to yourself and hope no one notices.

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This is my problem with BH, as defences donot work well enough in PvP(from the tests I've seen)to make a difference, there is no way that I can see for a rifleman to spend their skillpoints to complement rifle.This isbefore we even considera BH has better accuracy at 60m than a rifleman.

I could spend all 250 skillpoints on combat andyet still be weaker than a BH, because their bonuses stack far better than any elite combination.

Hell we're not even talking about master BH,most of themhaveBH pistol 4 and maybesome of the lightning line for close range.