Rifleman Archive

So I was over in the pistoleer forum, and the devs posted that pistoleer use is skyrocketing.

One of the major reasons cited why was that smugglers/BH's/pistoleers all use pistol, thus players can combine those skills to have great versatility and firepower for any situation. Pistoleer's using panic shot, BH's with pistoleer speed mods etc. Wheras if you take up rifleman and commando your skills don't really "stack" so to speak, a pistoleer with dirty fighting meshes very well. Basically what you have is that the pistoleer profession is really 1 and a half skill trees (pistoleer plus dirty fighting plus BH pistol line), not 1 like rifleman.

So I was thinking, why not do this with rifle? More to the point, what in god's name is anything on the Ranger tree good for anyway?

Whole trees of their profession are worthless, just ask one.

And what's the weapon most commonly used for hunting in the real world? The rifle!

So why not give the Rangers some rifle special attacks? This would make the rifle a more versatile weapon overall, and rifleman/ranger combos could be lethal if they give rangers the right kind of skills.

You wouldn't give them mind attacks, or AOE attacks. But how about a ranger equivalent to panic shot? Or a really powerful single target hit like crippling shot? How about an attack that targets health or action? Sort of a reverse eyeshot. That would be useful for group hunting where our attacks don't really contribute to the kill.

So in summary, I think it would make the rifle more useful, and thus rifleman more attractive, to give the ranger a skill line that is the rifle equivalent of dirty fighting. This would also serve to go a long way toward strengthening ranger and making it a worthwhile profession.

Im nearly master ranger now and also nearly master rifleman. I would love it if ranger became a worthwhile profession, it has (so far) been filled with disapointment.

I love the idea of mixing rifleman with ranger. I want to hunt, pitch a camp, live off the land as it were.

I want to be a sniper, go off into the wilderness in my chile (sp) suit or conceal camokit (that actuallly has a visual apearance change) blend in with the background, stalk my prey, track animals through the wilderness and take them down. Any bonuses would be greatly apreciated and welcomed by any scout/ranger/rifleman.

Let's not forget that commando's get to use pistol specials on probably the most kickass pistol in the game which I believe some people have posted sliced versions of at around 300 damage.. nothing wrong with that really, but where's the launcher rifle, or the launcher carbine?

While I agree that rangers should get something combat/weapon related, I dont want them to make it a rifle only ability. Then every ranger is going to be a rifleman/ranger and we'll have a bunch of cookie cutter classes. Im telling you, the ability to take yourself off of the radar should be a ranger ability and should be able to be useable with the rifleman conceal shot for a make shift sniper class.

i totally agree

pistols have far to many options, compared to rifles...

we got left outside in the cold in the BH tree, and we are not found in commmando...

RAMBOW

If you want something to add to the combat quality of a ranger why not ask for more creature-to-hit bonuses? You could make them range variable,so that those that use rifle get the best bonuses as common sense way of saying that moset hunters are rifle hunters. You would also be giving an increase to non rifle weapons...just a lower one. And lets be frank, with the carry over skills from complementary lines most other weapons not really need much of a to-hit-bonus. Hell, I would love to see a random chance at a 1shot death blow at master level.

i dont like this idea because some people have spent all their skill points on other things other than ranger and it just wouldnt be fair if you had to go ranger just to be a good rifleman and have a way of actually stalking people

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Ghillie wrote:
i dont like this idea because some people have spent all their skill points on other things other than ranger and it just wouldnt be fair if you had to go ranger just to be a good rifleman and have a way of actually stalking people

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This wouldn't be nerfing current riflemen, it would just mean that the people who have points to sacrifice will have added versatility.

I'm not saying you would have to take up ranger to be a decent rifleman.

Nothing here would take anything away from the rifleman class as it stands now.

There are plenty of pistoleers without smuggling or BH skills. There would be lots of rifleman without ranger skills.

It's just that this would give the rifle more versatility and options. If you prefer your CH/Rifleman combo, this won't do anything to affect that.

I can agree to add some combat ability to Rangers (though I don't find any of my skills worthless)and Traps + rifle could help a lot I think (not a rifleman) but I don't think it should be limited to rifle...or, you at least give this kind of help to other classes. I am a Fencer/Ranger (used to be that traps could make me capable against NPC's or animals, though the patch screwed fencers, I don't want to hear Rifleman whine about what it did to them, because Fencers have nothing going for them anymore) and while I understand that it is not brilliant to hunt with a sword, I would like something to help my fighting, a compliment to using the sword (maybe a dodge modifier or something as a dacer hehe)

Agreed, id drop CH to get Ranger if they were giving some special attacks, or atleast a Rifle Bonus

It would be a great idea to involve some rifle abilities into ranger specifically creature related ones. I want to go hunting etc. The conceal ability is good that has just been added to the ranger but i want my sniper suit

I dont believe that ranger should have abilities included in the tiers that are available to non-rifle users. The whole ranger tier should be officially named hunter and be closely related to sniper (the new name for rifleman profession) and i know you can hunt with various weapons but the most used and most effective weapon is a rifle (well in rl in any case). I had my hopes so high that this new conseal camo kit ability would allowyou to make camo clothing to wear in the field. I was obviously wrong but am still hoping for it in the future. i want to make my character look the part and feel the part. Currently riflemen have little to identify themselves with their real life or imagined sw counterparts (headshot being the main ability and the visual size of the rifles).

The problem with this idea is simple though, Ranger is an extension of scout, not a combat class. Bounty HUnter for example, requires master marksman...therefore, it is a combat class and can have new marksman skills. Same with smuggler and commando, etc. If you add rifle skills to Ranger, you have to add Rifle 4 to the pre reqs, and then you are not really a Ranger anymore. Just because some of the abilities are like a hunter, does not mean that is what a Ranger is, You can't just specialize a class like that to make people with rifles happy...

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